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To: Diplomat
And for that matter, the underlying notion that if you do not believe in evolution, you are automatically anti-science. This is a ridiculous notion, yet it is near universally held by the vast majority of the few remaining (and most of the banned) evolutionists.

I will say this on the subject. Anyone positing creationism(tm) as science is fundamentally anti-science. Or, at the very least, sufficiently anti-science to suspend all current scientific understanding, when supporting creationism. It's not the belief in Creationism that bothers me. It is the push for creationism and it's half-sister, ID, as science that is the issue. I have yet to see a credible fact based scientific arguement supporting creationism that does not involved warping and abusing current scientific understanding, distorting facts or outright "lying for the Lord." These superficial and misguided scientific rationals in favor of creationism, if taken seriously, would make someone less knowledgeable in those fields of science. To support creationism means to throw out all of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology, genetics, archeology, etc.,. That's where I take issue. That being said, as a philosophy, I have no contention with ID. But I know enough science to know that ID is different. It is a concept based in faith, not evidence and can never be empirically tested.

1,149 posted on 05/30/2007 1:38:53 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
To support creationism means to throw out all of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology, genetics, archeology, etc.

I think you mean to support your understanding of how creation should have happened. Have you guys implemented a Christian test in yur hiring pratices yet? I'm guessing it's an unspoken clause.

Please read my second to last paragraph in post 1154 and explain why both evolution and SETI are science?

1,158 posted on 05/30/2007 2:09:15 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: doc30
<<To support creationism means to throw out all of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology, genetics, archeology, etc.,.

So how many millions of years ago do you estimate your relatives "derived" from apes and became rational thinking beings with a conscience (knowing right from wrong, etc.)? Secondly, what force started it all?
Just wondering here...

1,171 posted on 05/30/2007 3:17:38 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: doc30
To support creationism means to throw out all of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology, genetics, archeology, etc.,.

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of the signers of the Declaration, were a bunch of real ignoramuses...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

I wish you nothing but bad luck and utter failure in your pursuit of the destruction of the cornerstone of American liberty, which is found in the above paragraph.

1,175 posted on 05/30/2007 3:37:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Reds went Green, but the goal remains the same.)
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