Free Republic Purge: Conservative Web Site Bans Giuliani Supporters

NY Observer ^ | Published: May 24, 2007 | by Rebecca Sinderbrand

[ahayes]

I’ve been informed that My reference to LOTR should have been Wormtongue instead of Wormwood. Not the first time I’ve misremembered a name.

Not so fast, buddy. I was wondering how you had happened to read The Screwtape Letters. Same thing either way!

This is interesting, now that I notice it. Tolkien and Lewis were friends, I wonder if the commonality came from that?

[ahayes]

a suopernatural designer

I should eat dinner already. Apparently I'm so hungry I'm thinking of soup and losing my ability to spell.

[Spiff]

I’ve been informed that My reference to LOTR should have been Wormtongue instead of Wormwood. Not the first time I’ve misremembered a name.

You have it completely backwards. The coven or cabal or whatever you want to call them who were acting in the role of Grima Wormtongue and whispering into Jim Robinson's ear were recently mostly banished. The old Jim Robinson is back and conservatism reigns on Free Republic.

[trisham]

Ah. Grima Wormtongue. Yes.

[trisham]

And before he got banned, he started to use the term “Reichsmordwoche” which was a Nazi term that meant, “Reich blood purge.”

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I can imagine that would be difficult to overlook.

[Graybeard58]

The occasional use of profanity by a long-time poster on FR has never been grounds for banning.

Which I noted in reply #1059

I doubt that it is enough to get anyone banned unless it is done repeatedly

[b_sharp]

"Basically, the SETI scientists are saying that if we capture an ordered radio signal from outspace, it must have been created by intelligent life.

If I remember correctly, SETI is not looking for an ordered signal but a signal using the same frequencies we use. They are taking their lead from something we have an example of and is most reasonable given the distances involved. They are assuming that, because we have yet to see it happen naturally, those frequencies are more likely to be used by intelligence than by nature. Even if they receive a signal in the range expected, from what I have read they will first assume that it is a naturally occurring signal and look to natural explanations first.

"Yet at the same time, these evolution beliving SETI scientists, turn around and suggest that the simplest life form we have found, which contains many times more programming source code and data arrays than a 10 minute Youtube video, came about purely through Darwinian evolution.

Scientists are not considering a complex life form such as what we find now but a much simpler self replicating molecule. Nor are they attempting to find the molecule that is our ancestor, just a molecule which self replicates and develops the attributes of life. Current evolutionary thought has surpassed Darwinian theory. Darwin's theory is the basis for what we now believe but that theory has been expanded considerably.

[Graybeard58]

perhaps Jim Robinson could give you a better explanation.

I really don't need one. I was drawn into this because of a link someone posted and I was curious as to what was said.What I read in that link is the only post I ever remember reading by R.A.

I don't have an opinion on R.A. and his posts and really don't care. I know a lot of people have been banned lately and I was quite happy to see some of them go, others that are gone, I will miss.

[vox_freedom]

[vox_freedom]

So you call it “mercy killing”?

[vox_freedom]

<<To support creationism means to throw out all of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology, genetics, archeology, etc.,.

So how many millions of years ago do you estimate your relatives "derived" from apes and became rational thinking beings with a conscience (knowing right from wrong, etc.)? Secondly, what force started it all?
Just wondering here...

[T'wit]

>> The complaint by the individual attacking RA specifically referred to the private Freepmail, ...

Are you referring to me?

[Diplomat]

I'd say most of the creationists we debate are YEC.

We need to poll this on a future thread so we can get a break-down on where the creo-Freepers fall.

We have not found evidence of design.

Yet all I see is design, i.e. program source code, function and procedure code, data arrays, replication code, etc. But I write software for a living, so that is a strong bias in how I see the world.

Science is concerned with the observable.

Like macro evolution.

You have evidence that the earth's magnetic field strength increased during the polarity fluctuations?

..that predisposes some people to both go into engineering and believe in a suopernatural designer.

Perhaps. This is not something I'd chose to try to find out. It would be interesting to see the percentages of graduates that belief in evolution break down among physicists, chemists, biologists, engineers and mathematicians. I'd wager the mathematicians are the least accepting of evolution as fact.

You seriously cannot make the analogy between SETI and evolution? Do you believe the very first life form on earth had complexity? Did this life form possess the ability to reproduce/replicate itself? Now, if it could, would this not imply some complexity existed in life at it's very earliest form, at it's inception? If a quirk of luck, a convergence of natural phenomenon, or whatever it was that created this first life form on earth occurred, the fact therefore remains that this entity of life was at least complex enough to reproduce and/or replicate itself.

Whatever the unknown event(s) in earth's pre-history that allowed life to come into being or to create life itself were, I'm sure you'll agree that the cause was natural. Therefore, if the first life has a natural causation, and this life form has the ability to reproduce and replicate itself, or at a very minimum the ability to consume energy with which to sustain itself long enough for it to develop the ability to reproduce itself. One must conclude that purely natural events created life. Since this life arose on earth somewhere as the result of natural causes, it's fair to say that purely natural systems in the universe can give rise to initial complexity. Similarly as you suggest, this life-form evoles and acquires more complexity as it evoles.

Therefore, one cannot assume that an ordered signal from outspace automatically has an intelligent cause when at the same time, more complex minimal life on earth came from purely natural causes. It could well be that an organized signal from a point in space came about from some unique (or not) set of events that are purely natural. Therefore, if evolution is true, no scientist can turn around and tell me that organized signals from outer space are necessarily an indication of intelligent life, since for life forms, we believe otherwise.

Let me ask you this, at a minimum, what complexity existed in the first life-form that Darwin says we all came from? Did this first life form possess any DNA? What capabilities/functions did this first life form possess? Please spare me the abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. It has everything to do with evolution, because non-creation based evolution depends entirely upon this event first occurring.

[T'wit]

>> I really don't think one bad language incident directed at a poster who named himself "twit" for gosh sakes...

I did not name myself "twit."

>> ...should even count as an offense.

So when Jim Robinson says "no profanity," he really doesn't mean it? Or, it's OK when it's directed against me?

[EternalVigilance]

To support creationism means to throw out all of biology, chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology, genetics, archeology, etc.,.

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson, and the rest of the signers of the Declaration, were a bunch of real ignoramuses...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

I wish you nothing but bad luck and utter failure in your pursuit of the destruction of the cornerstone of American liberty, which is found in the above paragraph.

[albee]

bump for later read

[Diplomat]

They (SETI) are assuming that, because we have yet to see it happen naturally, those frequencies are more likely to be used by intelligence than by nature.

Yet they have no problem assuming life arose from natural causes. Look at me, I've got cake and I'm eating it too.

Scientists are not considering a complex life form such as what we find now but a much simpler self replicating molecule.

Can you think of a single invention by man that is a "self replicating" anything? I cannot conceive of anything in the physical world that man has designed that is self-replicating. Can you?

Software code can be written such that it is self replicating. However, this software is entirely dependent upon the existence of the hardware for which it run. Software cannot be coded to replicate itself without the existence of the hardware. Furthermore, the initial replication code will have to write itself! This is why I think mathematicians, programmers and engineers are less likely to be evolutionists than pure scientists. I would love to see this polled, but given the evolution is god mentality of academia, I hold out no hope an accurate poll of this could be taken.

Therefore, the "much simpler self-replicating molecule" is still dependent upon the hardware and software sides of the entire molecule if it is to work. If this is not the case, please provide a real world or realistic theoretical example which replicates itself? You'd think with the rich diversity of life forms on this planet, these real world examples would be everywhere.

I'd tried telling my boss that my next code assignment will write itself through evolution. He told me "good, at least the work will get done on schedule".

[js1138]

Wow. When I read that the first thought was JRR Tolkein and “that kind of sounds like Wormtoungue” - followed by “I better keep quiet - that’s a pretty nerdy leap” :)

I kind of failed the nerd test.

[Diplomat]

Ghandi knew all about how the evo threads work: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future.

[js1138]

You have it completely backwards. The coven or cabal or whatever you want to call them who were acting in the role of Grima Wormtongue and whispering into Jim Robinson's ear were recently mostly banished. The old Jim Robinson is back and conservatism reigns on Free Republic.

Got it. The old JR, the one who thinks national defense would be run just as well by the democrats. I remember him.

Not.