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1 posted on 10/17/2006 1:09:35 PM PDT by trumandogz
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I am by no means a smoking advocate and hate it, frankly, but I gotta call misleading phrases when I see them. Look at this from the article:

"The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD."

The key word is "severe", towards the end. So some of them DID develope "non-severe" COPD?

I want to know what percentage of the smokers develeped SEVERE COPD, vs non-severe, which doesn't seem to be worth mentioning in the "ex-smokers".


84 posted on 10/17/2006 2:30:13 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) is a terminal disease. There is no cure. Lung tissue is destroyed which causes the gas exchange that takes place in the lungs to become impaired causing oxygen shortages to major organs such as the heart and brain.

The sufferer, over a period of years, will become disabled. Physical things that they could do before the last lung infection are now impossible. Everyday activities like bathing, dressing, using the toilet become impossible without supplemental oxygen and assistance from a caregiver. Lung infections and hospitalizations become routine. Many people who have COPD develop lung cancer.

Many have undergone Lung Volume Reduction surgery where the dead parts of the lung are cut away to make room in the chest for the lungs to move.

Lung transplantation has a survival rate of ~5 years.

In the end stages of the disease the sufferer is tethered to an oxygen tank and in most cases, a wheel chair. Death is usually from suffocation, although one can hope that a heart attack will take one sooner. It takes a long time to die from COPD.
The medicines used to treat the symptoms have severe side effects.

COPD is caused by smoking. It is a horrific disease and sadly, it is preventable. If you smoke, get your lungs checked. You may be in the "at risk" stage and still able to prevent years of suffering.

More information may be found at the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/meetings/workshops/copd_clinical.htm


94 posted on 10/17/2006 2:41:50 PM PDT by cindyh
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com if smoking is so bad... how come it isn't 3/4 or 4/5 or 9/10 for that matter that get it???
105 posted on 10/17/2006 2:59:41 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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This doesn't take a genius to figure out........


119 posted on 10/17/2006 3:39:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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OK, so explain to me why it's one in four?

I have entertained, for a long time, that cancer and other problems created by things like smoking need to be looked at in the same way allergies are. Does that offer anyone an idea about treatment?

Hello? Is anyone in the scientific community actually thinking about anything but the next grant?


171 posted on 10/17/2006 6:59:50 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD.

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

173 posted on 10/17/2006 7:02:30 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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I support the ABSOLUTE RIGHT of people to smoke. It is a freedom thing.

That said, I recently quit smoking after 30 years. It took a drug called Wellbutrin (also known as Zyban) but it worked. This drug is available by prescription only and there are risks. But it worked. After dozens of tries and nothing else working, it worked.

If you want to quit, check this out with your doctor. It works by alleviating the withdrawal symptoms and the craving for tobacco.

It will NOT work if you don't want to quit smoking. I have talked to people who took the drug and did not quit.

BTW. I am one of the four who get a smoking related disorder. I have a very mild case of COPD. Hopefully it will not get worse, but at least I am not wasting money on cigarettes anymore. I feel pretty good about that.


177 posted on 10/17/2006 7:16:55 PM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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An ex-girlfriend of mine died a few months ago of small cell lung cancer.

She contended that it was the impurities in commercial tobacco that killed you, not the tobacco itself, so she usually smoked some sort of special "organic" "health food" tobacco. What a waste of a fine woman.

178 posted on 10/17/2006 7:22:57 PM PDT by TChad
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My husband and his brother both died from lung cancer. They were both long time heavy smokers.


240 posted on 10/17/2006 9:12:18 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD GET SHOT BY THOSE WHO DON*T!)
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Yes but three in four won't. Let's look at the bright side of life please.


294 posted on 10/18/2006 5:21:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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Now I'm a fellow with a heart of gold
And the ways of a gentleman I've been told
Kind-of-a-guy that wouldn't even harm a flea

But if me and a certain character met
The guy that invented that cigarette
I'd murder that son-of-a gun in the first degree

It ain't cuz I don't smoke 'em myself
and i don't reckon that it'll hinder your health
I smoked 'em all my life and I ain't dead yet

But nicotine slaves are all the same
at a pettin' party or a poker game
Everything gotta stop while they have a cigarette

CHORUS

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff until you smoke yourself to death.

Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hate to make him wait,
But you just gotta have another cigarette.

In a game of chance the other night
Old dame fortune was good and right
The kings and queens they kept on comin' around

Aw, I was hittin' em good and bettin' 'em high
But my bluff didn't work on a certain guy
He kept callin' and layin' his money down

See, he'd raise me then I'd raise him
and I'd say to him buddy ya gotta sink or swim
Finally called me but didn't raise the bet!

--Hmmph! I said Aces Full Pal -- I got you!
He said, "I'll pay up in a minute or two
But right now, i just gotta have another cigarette."

CHORUS

Now the other night I had a date
with the cutest little gal in any state
A high-bred, uptown, fancy little dame

She said she loved me and it seemd to me
That things were sorta like they oughtta be
So hand in hand we strolled down lovers lane

She was a long way from a chunk of ice
And our pettin' party was goin' real nice
And I got an idea I might have been there yet

So I give her a kiss and a little squeeze
Then she said, "Travis, Excuse me Please
But I just gotta have a cigarette."

355 posted on 10/18/2006 11:31:15 AM PDT by mc5cents
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One in Four Smokers Will Get Lung Disease

Close to four in four smokers will die free and happy.

429 posted on 10/18/2006 8:22:28 PM PDT by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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