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One in Four Smokers Will Get Lung Disease
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Posted on 10/17/2006 1:09:34 PM PDT by trumandogz

TUESDAY, Oct. 17 (HealthDay News) -- A new study finds that at least 1 in every 4 smokers will develop progressive and incurable chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a much higher risk than previously believed.

COPD is a respiratory disease that results in blocked air flow to the lungs and grows progressively worse.

For this study, published online in the journal Thorax, researchers at Hvidovre Hospital analyzed data on 8,000 men and women, ages 30 to 60. All were monitored for 25 years as part of the Copenhagen City Heart Study.

At the start of the study, all the participants' lungs were healthy and working normally. However, over the course of the 25 years, the lungs of almost all the male non-smokers continued to function normally, compared to 60 percent of men who continued to smoke.

Among women, 90 percent of non-smokers still had healthy lungs at the end of 25 years, compared to 70 percent of smokers.

Overall, 25 percent of the participants developed moderate or severe COPD over the 25 years. Persistent smokers were six times more likely to develop COPD than non-smokers.

During the 25 years, there were 2,900 deaths in the study group. Of those deaths, 109 were directly attributable to COPD, and nearly all those deaths were in people who were active smokers at the start of the study. Only two non-smokers died of COPD.

The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: addiction; buttlist; denial; dontinhale; humanashtrays; nicotine; puff; pufflist; smoke; smoking; tobacco; tobaccoaddicts
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To: elkfersupper
I have no doubt that a doctor of today (not 60 years ago) would have had an entirely different diagnosis of your 2 day old sisters breathing problems and the treatment would not be tobacco smoke. She obviously didn't have much of a problem and it cured its self. She did not have asthma, and the tobacco smoke didn't cure what ever it was.
But you continue telling that yarn because you obviously believe it, I don't.
221 posted on 10/17/2006 8:27:30 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: elkfersupper

Hell...I don't know what to add.

There is a guy in my office who has COPD. he looks like death warmed over... 45 years... prolly a 5th every nite plus a pack and a half of reds....6 foot..130..hacking all day between cigarretes...the next bad cold could kill him.

Then my Dad...81...pack a day ...a nice stiff vodka every nite...healthy as a horse God Bless him.

I'm 46 and quit cigs last year cuz it was just my time.

I''ll stick with a nice glass of red or two when I get home from a hard day.


222 posted on 10/17/2006 8:27:43 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: paulat
How come the pro-smoking people who post the tax charts don't get this. They always say THEY are the ones paying the taxes!!

That's done to show the primary targets, not the secondary ones, like yourself.

223 posted on 10/17/2006 8:28:31 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
That's done to show the primary targets, not the secondary ones, like yourself.

...but...okay...we've absorbed a lot of their tax.

224 posted on 10/17/2006 8:31:43 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Quix

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I CANNOT BELIEVE IT! Could it be??? Could it be ah say??? An attempted sense of humor?
Damn dude, you're killing me, with your smug, selfrighteous digs!!! GeT DOWN an 'jiggy wid it.


225 posted on 10/17/2006 8:32:36 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Ditter
But you continue telling that yarn because you obviously believe it, I don't.

Dr. P---- is still alive and still consulting.

I'll see if I can't get him to sign on and give you the lecture.

226 posted on 10/17/2006 8:33:40 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: paulat
...but...okay...we've absorbed a lot of their tax.

Just who is "we"?

227 posted on 10/17/2006 8:36:15 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper; Melas
Tobacco is numbered amongst the things that made our forebears suprisingly healthy? Please, that's pure idiocy. They also produced and drank booze, and wrangled large four-footed creatures for work and transportation. Rumor has it, they danced and laughed occasionally also.

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, a white male child born in 1850 had a life expectancy of 38.3 years. Yes... healthy!

228 posted on 10/17/2006 8:38:49 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
Given your history, you have an astounding degree of trust in government.

I am still trying to figure that out.

229 posted on 10/17/2006 8:42:07 PM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: elkfersupper
That's done to show the primary targets, not the secondary ones, like yourself.

Sorry to belabor, elk..but here's my question:

Say you make a widget. Do you pass on the cost of the cigarette in that widget price? I can see that with gasoline (to transport the widget)...but I'm not quite getting the cig analogy.

If I choose not to buy caviar...I am not spending my discretionary dollars on caviar...and I am not paying the caviar tax.

If I buy bread...that is more essential...so I AM paying for the gas tax, etc., that is incurred in getting it to me.

Sorry if I am pushing this out...but I do want to understand.

230 posted on 10/17/2006 8:42:44 PM PDT by paulat
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To: elkfersupper
Let the senile old f*rt be. If he was practicing medicine 60 years ago he has to be 90+. And if tobacco smoke cured asthma there would not be anymore asthma. If that simple solution worked everyone would be pumping smoke into their asthmatic kids rooms. As far as my asthma in concerned, I didn't know what caused it until I moved out of my parents smoke filled house and it went away.
231 posted on 10/17/2006 8:43:28 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: elkfersupper
Just who is "we"?

The non-smoker...you said that tax is passed on.

232 posted on 10/17/2006 8:43:49 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat
but I do want to understand.

Taxes are a cost of doing business (unfortunately).

Businesses do not pay taxes, they pass them on to their customers to pay.

Labor is also a cost of doing business, that is also passed on.

The cost of labor seeks its own ground. If the labor force is not satisfied with its compensation, it moves on.

People doing the labor factor all the things they want or need into their compensation demands.

If the price of something they want or need goes up, they demand more compensation.

25% of the labor force uses tobacco products.

Taxes on that is figured into their wage demand, and is passed on to the consumer (you).

233 posted on 10/17/2006 8:53:17 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
Taxes on that is figured into their wage demand, and is passed on to the consumer (you).

Thanks! I'll remember that when smokers say they pay all of it.

234 posted on 10/17/2006 8:56:28 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Ditter
And if tobacco smoke cured asthma there would not be anymore asthma.

I never said tobacco smoke "cures" asthma.

In my sister's case, it stopped the onset.

As with many things, interrupting the onset mitigates a full-blown problem.

The evidence is anecdotal - less smoking, more childhood asthma.

Draw your own conclusions.

235 posted on 10/17/2006 8:57:49 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: paulat
Thanks! I'll remember that when smokers say they pay all of it.

Remember to apply it to the fatties and the people who drive too fast or run with scissors.

236 posted on 10/17/2006 9:01:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

I have drawn my own conclusions, your sister did not have asthma.


237 posted on 10/17/2006 9:08:51 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: paulat
I have a better idea - let's just tie the tax on a gallon of gas to that on a pack of cigs. The gas pollutes more, creates more health problems, and costs more, in US health care expenses.

So...NY has $5/pack tax on cigs. $5/gal tax, anyone?

238 posted on 10/17/2006 9:10:22 PM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Alter Kaker
According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, a white male child born in 1850 had a life expectancy of 38.3 years. Yes... healthy!

38.3 years gloriously free of busybody nanny-staters (and federal income tax).

I would trade for that in a minute.

239 posted on 10/17/2006 9:10:51 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: trumandogz

My husband and his brother both died from lung cancer. They were both long time heavy smokers.


240 posted on 10/17/2006 9:12:18 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD GET SHOT BY THOSE WHO DON*T!)
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