Posted on 10/10/2006 8:59:26 AM PDT by cryptical
And that's exactly what you and Looey have been contending all along - that the FairTax rate will only increase automatically. Would you like to deny that (again)??
In #472 contradicts your own #464 since you state (in #464) that the entitlement proportions will not decrease - as I just pointed out above. This means, indeed, that you ARE saying (as is Looey) that the FairTax can only go upward automatically. It also means that your claim of "not debating" the direction of change is wrong. You certainly did in #464. Or maybe it was just a lie like you continuously still accuse me of???
In #474 you shoot yourself in the foot again since I've said nothing about the rate "automatically fluctuating" at all. In fact, what I've said is quite the opposite. I've said there will be no automatic annual increase by your "unelected bureaucrats" and that with the undoubted change in the entitlement proportions going down, that there will be no "automatic" decrease either since either the FairTax rate or the GRR would have to be changed - and that would be a Congressional action. I believe that abandoning that responsibility to the "unelected bureaucrats" as the two of you claim would probably be unconstitutional or at least a power and responsibility that Congress would not be willing to hand over to two subordinate agencies.
Your 100th lame attempt to change the subject. In my opinion the rates will go up, but that is not the issue. I did not say they 'must' go up as you continue to spin a new lie about. I was very clear on numerous posts that was not the issue. But on a funnier note, let's see what you said in post 267
Pigdog post 267: The import of my quote is that should the costs of these two entitlements continue apace with their present growth, the FairTax rate will eventually be revised upward to accommodate the costs....
LOL, so you admitted before that these rates will probably go up. But let's not get sidetracked. You continue to spin and lie about what the bill says and then deny what have said about what the bill says and then lie about what others have said. It is just one lie after another with you.
Please answer my question in #518 and do so unequivocally.
Entitlement proportions? What crap are you talking about now. I have never used that phrase and have no idea what it would even mean. The simple fact is you are a big fact liar and when confronted just makes up more lies and changes the subject to try to cover it up.
I have been clear about this point forever. If those rates go down, the overall rate goes down. If those rates go up, the overall rate goes up. You have been the one who has denied that the fairtax rate automatically adjusts on an annual basis.
The same thing the discussion has been about all along - the required entitlement percentages decreasing to effectively alter the proportional makeup of the FairTax rate.
Looey, how about you answering #518?
You are just trying to confuse the issue.. The three rates simply add together to make the total. No one cares about 'proportional makeup' or 'percentages decreasing' or whatever gobbly gook you bring up. You lie about it and continue to lie about it. And I will call you on it until you come clean. It's all in black and white.
The automatic adjustments are made by government statistics which are calculated by unelected bureacrats. The rate adjusts without any action by Congress. What you don't understand how much reported wages will go up after the fairtax is enacted. For instance, a typical self-employed person reports only a small salary and has most of his profits flow to him from an S-Corp. This lowers the SS taxes he owes. Under the fairtax there is no motivation to report lower wages, so people will increase their wages to maximize SS benefits when they retire. Under the current system you have to pay 15.3% to do that, under the fairtax it is a freebie. Reported wages will go way up, and thus so will those SS/MC rates in the fairtax and thus so will the overall fairtax rate.
In #267 the operative word is should, a conditional word as used in the sentence. That certainly does not say that I believe the entitlement proportions Will increase,
I'll not bother to explain it further to you (though I could) since you don't wish to understand.
"... so you admitted before that these rates will probably go up ..."
Nope - no such thing nor is that what #267 says. You're merely too ignorant to understand it apparently and far too eager to try to call others a liar - when they aren't. As I told you we can go on with this forever as far as I'm concernet. I'll not admit to lying about something when I haven't and the sooner you realize that the better off your frustration level will be ... but suit yourself.
"Your 100th lame attempt to change the subject. In my opinion the rates will go up, but that is not the issue. I did not say they 'must' go up as you continue to spin a new lie about. "
Your #464 certainly says otherwise by the parenthetical expression you tried to leave out to show the opposite. Despite your attempt at deceit, you have ceertainly said by that post that "upward only" is the only way - just like Looey.
Looey - please answer #518.
You seem to indicate in #526 that you believe the FairTax rate will automatically go up or down depending on the actions of the "unelected bureaucrats".
Is this a correct understanding of what you believe? Please answer either "yes" or "no".
By this post I'll also ask Looey to answer either "yes" or "no".
Go look up the percentage makeup of the SS wages that will go "way up" and show how this offsets all increased economic activity.
PIGDOG post 273: "I've said nothing about any Congressional action in raising the rate since that will clearly not be required."
When in previous posts you most certainly did:
post 310 by pigdog: "The infamous "unelected bureaucrats raising taxes" ploy you've continually tried (unsuccessfully) to use isn't correct and never has been. They merely determine the split of tax revenue required to fund the S/S entitlement as required by S/S law - which it should be noted isn't part of the FairTax law at all. They have no power to raise (or lower) the FairTax rate ... that's what we pay the "big bux" to Congress for."
post 328 by pigdog: "Any change in the overall FairTax rate would have to be done by Congress, not some "unelected bureaucrat".
post 351 by pigdog: " And to change the FairTax rate it would, indeed, take congressional action."
post 368 bt pigdog: "This means that the remaining portion which is the General Revenue Rate will in effect increase since the other two have decreased and the statutory rate for all three combined must be 23% (or whatever the rate ends up as in the bill) unless changed by Congress."
It is one thing to make a mistake, but to continue to lie about making a mistake is absurd. So you were wrong on posts 310, 328, 351 and 368. And then you were wrong in your denial. But why can't you admit it. You keep changing the subject and making things up. You have basically have come around and agree with lewislynn's point anyways, you now seem to just be disagreeing about how the rate will change. Admit it and move on.
"If you are not a liar, how do you explain this?PIGDOG post 273: "I've said nothing about any Congressional action in raising the rate since that will clearly not be required.""
I explain that by stating that you are merely lying - there is no such quote in that post a clear lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Got it?
"post 310 by pigdog:"
The same lying technique by you once more. There is no such quote in the post. Liar, liar, pants on fire.
"post 351 by pigdog:"
In that post the discussion is that the direction of the two entitle ratios was downward so that means the posts stands as made and is correct unless you can offer convincing economic evidence to the contrary. Be my guest. Once again, your lie.
"post 368 bt pigdog:"
Same discussion as #351. Same answer. Same lie from you. If you can't stop this overriding compulsion you have of trying to call me a liar about anything I say then I;ll have to gather up your hundreds of posts that show you lying consistently - many right in this thread where right here there are four of them ... all lies - BY YOU.
I have no idea what sort of childishness has overtaken you with this obsession but it can't be healthy for your mental stability. Why is i you cn't grasp that furher discussion along this line is pointless??? Are you truly that ignorant?
Oh you are so right, it was post 473, not 273. See I make a mistake I correct it or admit it. I don't deny it and lie about it like you do. You just can't admit you are wrong. Yes, I made a type, I am guilty. You are still a liar.
OK, post 319. I guess I am sloppy trying to go back and forth between multiple windows. Trying to keep up with all your boldface lies is hard to do. It doesn't change the fact that all those quotes are still your. It doesn't change the fact you are a liar. I make typos and correct them, you tell boldface lies and deny it.
I am just not going to let your boldface unending lies go unanswered. You are not going to get the last post on this thread until you admit you were wrong. I will bump this thread forever, I really don't care.
I'll just say that the FairTax rate itself isn't changed by any entitlement proportion adjustments and that the direction of those adjustments will be as I've said DOWNWARD, not upward as both you and Looey try to pretend ... and don't bother continuing your lie that you claimed the adjustments would also go down - you didn't and I've also showed that lie of yours to be a lie.
You are truly a time-wasting fool in addition to being a gross liar. And with your #538 you answer the question about whether or not you were truly that ignorant - and the answer is "YES".
Well you certainly showed him to be a complete liar to anyone who can read. And even though he tried to change the subject several times, and change the argument to something else, it is still clear that pigdog will say anything if he thinks it will help the FairTax. How he thinks he is helping the FairTax cause is beyond me.
But of course the FairTax is a joke, and it is beyond help.
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