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School Shooting:Multiple Deaths in Lancaster, PA Amish School, Shooter Kills Self
Fox News Alert ^ | 02 OCT 06

Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1

Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: jude24

Excellent excellent point. And unbelievably, I never considered it...even though intruder alerts were even done as drills when I worked at the hospital.

Our homeschool co-op is BIG...and meets in a church. An open, non-secure location...

The public schools have more security.

http://kotv.com/news/?111853


881 posted on 10/02/2006 12:07:57 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (http://kimsbug.blogspot.com/)
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To: Abby4116

Way to close to home.........

There are sick, evil people in the world.


882 posted on 10/02/2006 12:08:22 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: SuziQ

He didn't tell them directly. He called either a radio station or dispatch and told them he was going to shoot in 10 seconds if the police didn't leave. They weren't able to establish cell contact with him is my understanding, but they were trying to when he started shooting.


883 posted on 10/02/2006 12:09:00 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: SuziQ

They had a megaphone for the negotiator and the perp called a radio station and said to tell police to back off or he would start shooting. Right when the police got the message to clear out...the guy started shooting. THEN they stormed the place.


884 posted on 10/02/2006 12:09:10 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: cinives

Are you sure they were Amish and not Mennonites ?

Positive, and from two different families. Primary green shirts and long black dresses in one group and Primary blue and black dresses in the other group. Families members typically all wearing the same color on the same day as far as I can tell. I'll try to find a picture of one of the outdoor phones and post a link.


885 posted on 10/02/2006 12:09:13 PM PDT by theeyeshaveit (ANY OTHER QUESTIONS)
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To: TXBubba
Someone going to tell me the boys wouldn't know how to call 911?

The boys don't have cell phones. One of the released adults got to a phone and called 911. It was all in the presser..

886 posted on 10/02/2006 12:09:20 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: wagglebee
I know, one of the teachers made it to a phone, there was not one on the premises.

No, but the police said that she knew which neighbor to go to that had a telephone.

887 posted on 10/02/2006 12:09:54 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Mom MD

Columbine was a bit different in that you had mulitple shooters and a whole shcool building involved. Students were hiding and waiting to be rescued. Giving the gunmen time only meant that you were giving them time to find more victims.

If a gunman has everyone lined up in room and can kill them instantly then it is best not to anger him or set him off because there is no counter assault that can be effective against him. Since I don't seem to be sure of all of the details in this case then I won't make anymore judgements about it at this time. I am just pointing out that force is not always the way to deal with a disturbed person.


888 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:04 PM PDT by Revel
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To: La Enchiladita
There is no "motive" that justifies evil. We learned that on 9/11/01, if not before.


The only "motive" these monsters have is the spirit of death and destruction.

They live in order to kill. Nothing will deter them short of killing them first.
889 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:07 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: ohioWfan

I've been up to Lancaster a couple of times and met some of the Amish. They certainly have a lifestyle that most of us would dismiss as too simplistic, but they are generally happier than a lot of us are. I fail to see how anyone would consider them to be creeps.

One of the horrors of all this is that this is the last place many of us would have ever thought a tragedy like this would happen.


890 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: TXBubba

How can you blame the victims for the evil that was done? The perp took advantage of their innocence, with which he was well familiar.


892 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:20 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God bless America, land that I love. NEVER FORGET ... Some Gave All ...)
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To: New Girl

"Apparently, the teachers were told to leave... Why didn't one of the teachers jump this guy? At least the children might have had a chance to run for it...I guess hindsight is 20/20. If I ever find myself in a situation like this, I'm going to fight the person."

No you aren't. You are going to think, like these teachers evidently did, that if you just listen to the guy, he won't kill everyone. You are not going to assume he is going to execute everyone and provoke him. You are going to listen to him, as one should when thrust into this situation.

As to the police - The perp's call to a local radio station to give 10 seconds notice was NOT a real notice. He was going to shoot at that point, no matter what.


893 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:29 PM PDT by Julliardsux
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To: camle

Agreed, but I really hate our namby-pamby non-justice system. When someone clearly does this kind of outrage, they should be killed within 10 days after they get their affairs together. Williamsburg way.


894 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:29 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: bonfire
Exactly. The largest Amish community in the country is not far from us, and they are fine people who work as few others do and harm no one.

Obviously they are not perfect, but not too many of us 'English' are either.....

895 posted on 10/02/2006 12:10:40 PM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: Abby4116

And it is quite likely that if the adults had stayed inside that none of the young boys would have known where to find a phone.


896 posted on 10/02/2006 12:11:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: exile
The Amish give me the creeps,

You give me the creeps...we are even.

897 posted on 10/02/2006 12:11:32 PM PDT by Dog
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To: pandoraou812

Prayers for the victims, and prayers for the killer's family also. I am sure they are heartbroken also, and probably can't imagine their father/husband did this. I hope they don't carry any guilt for matters they knew nothing about.

And then more prayers for the families of the dead and the injured, and the whole community.


898 posted on 10/02/2006 12:11:33 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Gabz
Way to close to home......... There are sick, evil people in the world.

Sure is. And such a senseless tragedy.

899 posted on 10/02/2006 12:12:10 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: All
Do not get into sidebar debates about homeschooling and conspirary theories. Save it for elsewhere. This thread is for the children.
900 posted on 10/02/2006 12:12:15 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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