[tortoise]

Take that away and you deal with the timeless qualities of Consciousness, Being, Mind... God.

The "timeless qualities" of those things has not been established, largely because they have not been defined.

[DarkSavant]

The "timeless qualities" of those things has not been established, largely because they have not been defined.

Nor is it possible to. Only a conscious being is capable of even remotely understanding what consciousness of mind even is. The try to define it would be infinitely self-referential. i.e. I'm conscious of my consciousness.

You could try to circumvent the issue by saying consciousness is a function of matter, which is the equivalent of saying "I'm conscious of matter affecting my consciousness", which brings the dead end of being forced to be conscious of the matter that produced that thought, and it becomes impossible again.