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Please tell us what those first forms were, the mechanism by which they were produced, how the physical constants and laws were calculated, the means by which they were implemented, and the nature of the entity doing all of these things.

Heck, I have no idea. But evolution doesn't explain any of that either, nor does it even try, and that was my point: no dog in the hunt.

Iggy: "we have no evidence that any kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, or species has evolved into an entirely different kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, or species."

That is unfortunately untrue. There is a very great deal of evidence of such evolution.

Maco-evolution evidence? Great! Show me the plant-to-animal (or vice-versa) transitional fossils! Bring me the bones of the walking, breathing, eating, dandelions! I want to trade my religion for yours!

You appear to be a very angry individual. Perhaps you should seek out the source of your anger?

You misread the tone of my original post. Not angry. Serious questions in a playful tone is what I intended.
I don't get angry over evolution/creation debates. I am disturbed by the insults hurled by creationists and EVO's, though creationists are by far more, um, serene. See post 909 for anger.
As for the debate itself, I just laugh at it most of the time, and tend to poke fun at it. After all, if the athiest-type EVO's are right and the Christian ID'ers wrong, then so what? Nothing changes, I've lost nothing, and no lives have been wasted. Pretty scary and sad if the opposite is true, ne cest pa?

Pretty scary and sad if the opposite is true

Still beating that false dichotomy. The options aren't just your God versus no god. It is your God versus no god and the hundreds or thousands of alternate proposed gods. If you picked the wrong god, you could be in a heap of trouble. Some religions have jealous gods (i.e. the god of the old testament.)

I asked mr. Ignatz "what those first forms were, the mechanism by which they were produced, how the physical constants and laws were calculated, the means by which they were implemented, and the nature of the entity doing all of these things." He answered Heck, I have no idea.

Then I must ask, in what sense does Intelligent Design account for these things?

After all, if the athiest-type EVO's are right and the Christian ID'ers wrong, then so what?

What about the Christian evolutionists?

I would account it a waste if someone spent their life committed to an irrational and unscientific view of the world. It would make them confused and alienated from knowledge. Understanding oneself and where one came from is the deepest form of knowledge, do you not think?

After all, if the athiest-type EVO's are right and the Christian ID'ers wrong, then so what? Nothing changes, I've lost nothing, and no lives have been wasted.

If you are content to remain scientifically illiterate, that's fine. Others will carry on the work.

Pretty scary and sad if the opposite is true, ne cest pa?

This is often trotted out by creationists when their logic has failed: "you better believe, or else".