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To: GreenOgre

what are YOU so afraid of? All your Evo evidence is a shame, so lets open a discussion. ID evidence (to me):
2nd Law of thermodynamics - nothing becomes more complex without energy and intelligence
no evidence for evolution
common sense that we could not have randomly developed from a fish or worm.


736 posted on 07/28/2006 6:17:28 AM PDT by razzle
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To: razzle
"2nd Law of thermodynamics - nothing becomes more complex without energy and intelligence "

That isn't even CLOSE to being what the 2nd Law says.

"no evidence for evolution"

Only if you ignore the facts.

"common sense that we could not have randomly developed from a fish or worm."

Natural selection isn't random.
739 posted on 07/28/2006 6:21:16 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: razzle

For your future reference.

First Law of Thermodynamics

The first law of thermodynamics is often called the Law of Conservation of Energy. This law suggests that energy can be transferred from one system to another in many forms. However, it can not be created nor destroyed. Thus, the total amount of energy available in the Universe is constant. Einstein's famous equation (written below) describes the relationship between energy and matter:
E = MC2

In the equation above, energy (E) is equal to matter (M) times the square of a constant (C). Einstein suggested that energy and matter are interchangeable. His equation also suggests that the quantity of energy and matter in the Universe is fixed.



Second Law of Thermodynamics

Heat can never pass spontaneously from a colder to a hotter body. As a result of this fact, natural processes that involve energy transfer must have one direction, and all natural processes are irreversible. This law also predicts that the entropy of an isolated system always increases with time. Entropy is the measure of the disorder or randomness of energy and matter in a system. Because of the second law of thermodynamics both energy and matter in the Universe are becoming less useful as time goes on. Perfect order in the Universe occurred the instance after the Big Bang when energy and matter and all of the forces of the Universe were unified.



Third Law of Thermodynamics

The third law of thermodynamics states that if all the thermal motion of molecules (kinetic energy) could be removed, a state called absolute zero would occur. Absolute zero results in a temperature of 0 Kelvins or -273.15° Celsius.
Absolute Zero = 0 Kelvins = -273.15° Celsius

The Universe will attain absolute zero when all energy and matter is randomly distributed across space. The current temperature of empty space in the Universe is about 2.7 Kelvins.


860 posted on 07/28/2006 10:41:56 AM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: razzle
Fermi:

We can now state the second law of thermodynamicsa in the following form:

A transformation whose only final result is to transform into work heat extracted from a source which is at the same temperature throughout is impossible. (Postulate of Lord Kelvin)

The second law can also be expressed as follows:

A transformation whose only final result is to transfer heat from a body at a given temperature to a body at a higher temperature is impossible. (Postulate of Clausius)

Argue with Fermi if you like; he owns thermodynamics.

866 posted on 07/28/2006 10:52:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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