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To: hellbender

I didn't blame evolution for all the evil of the 20th century. However, there is a powerful affinity between totalitarian socialist systems and evolution, and such systems are always hostile to Christianity and usually Judaism as well.

So now it's an 'affinity'. Okay...there's a powerful 'affinity' between Christianity and the Holocaust, and the murder, torture, and persecution of Jews for about 1000 years. Are you sure you want to play this game?

You can sputter and fume all you like, but those are facts.

Nice melodramatics, but you have no evidence whatsoever I've sputtered or fumed in my 'conversation' with you. Your credibility is further eroded.

"By their works you shall know them," and the fruits of evolutionary thinking, in the absence of any theistic worldview, seem to be anger and discontent, as shown by your own language.

Apparently you have nothing left but insults and condemnation.

I ask you, how does one arrive at the view that human beings have value and deserve to be free (which is what most conservatives believe), starting just from materialist theories like evolution?

So many misleading assertions....I'll just go with this one....Your question "how does one arrive at the view that human beings have value and deserve to be free"...sorry, I'll have to answer it with questions, which are my answer...

Don't you think you have value and deserve to be free? And your loved ones? And why wouldn't you extend this belief to everyone?

456 posted on 07/27/2006 8:59:37 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954

"Okay...there's a powerful 'affinity' between Christianity and the Holocaust, and the murder, torture, and persecution of Jews for about 1000 years."

Christianity is rooted in Judaism, Jesus was a Jew, and almost all the early Christians were Jews, so no real Christian would ever hate Jews, and evangelical Christians today are strongly pro-Israel. Most of the people who risked or sacrificed their lives trying to save Jews from the Holocaust were professing Christians. Nazi anti-Semitism can be clearly traced to atheistic or pagan, romantic intellectual fashions in European academia. There are recent posts on this right here in FR.

"Don't you think you have value and deserve to be free? And your loved ones? And why wouldn't you extend this belief to everyone?"

The idea that I want to be free does not lead inevitably to a belief that others should enjoy freedom. Lots of people throughout history have enjoyed freedom and prosperity while exploiting or enslaving others. The idea that my neighbor is to be valued as myself is a Christian concept. Even people who are not Christians have been influenced by Christianity in this regard.


745 posted on 07/28/2006 6:32:53 AM PDT by hellbender
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