[Coyoteman]

it doesn't matter how many times you try and express that there is no debate concerning toe. You simply saying that doesn't make it true as many, not just a few, bright scientists see the falicy of toe and are very much in the debate. It would be good for you to at least acknowledge that. It's the "there's no debate" kind of dark thinking that is responsible for a big lack of academic freedom in science classes in public schools.

The debate is between religious belief and evolutionary science.

If you don't think this is correct, go to a good university library and find the floors devoted to evolutionary science and see what kind of debate you find in the many journals.

Hint: You won't find creation "science" because it is not science. Same for ID.

They are Not Science! They are apologetics (defense of religion).

[fabian]

because most universities are dominated by the lack of academic freedom confusion doesn't mean there is no debate. There are so many good scientists that are involved in the deabate but you just wish to relegate them to apologitics. Their creationism study is a very scientific theory and I think it is sad that you guys are so predjudiced against it that you say there is no debate. Very dishonest...although I don't believe you realize that it is dishonest . By the way, so many of histories amazing scientists were creationists like Sir Issac Newton.