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<< The evolutionists' standard insult on these threads is that ID is not "science". OK, I'm willing to accept that. >>

Then why do you call it an "insult." It's just a statement of fact.

<< This is the best we humans can do with it today, as it was the best 100, 500 years ago. >>

You have got the gist of it. That is the strength -- and the beauty -- of science. It adjusts to new information and improves itself.

<< The Bible, as you said, never changes. >>

And that is the weakness -- in fact, the fatal flaw -- of creationism. To freeze one's understanding of the natural world, on the basis of a particular interpretation of a religous text written thousands of years ago, is to cut oneself off from reality.

And that is not meant as an "insult."

One fact that remains clear, and said in respect of course, is that the truth is told only one time, a misconception or flaw is told many times. I usually put this another way for another issue, but I softened it up.

"You have got the gist of it. That is the strength -- and the beauty -- of science. It adjusts to new information and improves itself.

*****Science adjusts, because they don't really have the answers and few ever really find them. They are most always called theories and for a reason. They don't really know the answer for sure. The weakness to Darwin is that he lost an open mind, to the existence of a force that he cannot see. He had a struggle with his soul and therefore ignored all possibilities that are possible explanations. This supernatural force is what brought him into the world but he denies another force that does exist, but not acknowledged by some scientists. This is their weakness. Science does not necessarily improve, they just find another way to explain what they are afraid to accept. Even Einstein who was a non-believer came to the conclusion that a "Superior Reasoning Power" existed....this bothered him, but he accepted this. True story......

It's simple, to accept the idea of a God or supernatural force leads on to the road of maybe I am responsible for my actions and my life in eternity. You will notice that being fanatical is not only reserved for "religous" notions, but hard core scientist that are agnostic or atheist are limiting themselves and will fight to keep their imaginations within the confines of their only frame of reference....Length, width, height and time which does not include the supernatural......which cannot be denied. :) This is why they have what is called a "singularity".......they can't explain past this notion.

That is the strength -- and the beauty -- of science.
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And that is the weakness -- in fact, the fatal flaw -- of creationism.

So what's the weakness of science? And what's the strength of creationism? Or of the Bible?

While the insults and posts devoid of meaningful content fly ("I'm a better man than you, because I know that 500 years ago there were no computer chips, and you stupid creationist don't!"), the weakness (ours this time) is seeking wisdom in science and mathematical proof in the Bible. To me this is a philosophical debate. Whether creationism is science is a silly question, since we have long stopped questioning whether political science, ethnic studies, wymyns studies, Margared Mead's "discoveries", the Kinsey Report are science. Why, they give away Ph.Ds in Business Administration and Government Studies. Who's kidding who?!