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To: donh
This argument over whether jews are technically heretics or not is silly. The Inquisition was not an academic debating society that was overly concerned about whether the people they were torturing satisfied the exact definition of "heretic".

Shows how much you know about the institution.

The Inquisition courts followed very strict rules of procedure and evidence. They were very much concerned with the technicalities of Canon Law. They did not try people over whom they had no jurisdiction, and they had no jurisdiction over any non-baptized individual, Jew, Moslem, or pagan. Period.

Not that this exonerates the institution, mind you. Just stating a fact.

And, in fact, did I not see that you have already conceded to someone else that there were, in fact, jews put to the torch by the inquision, and have now retreated to "only a few jews"?

It was one incident mentioned without documentation. Forgive my skepticism.

Consider the jew-obsessed writings of some of the most influential figures of the Inquisition:

Very interesting, but they don't support your contention that either inquisition routinely persecuted openly practicing Jews.

742 posted on 05/13/2006 2:45:00 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
The Inquisition courts followed very strict rules of procedure and evidence. They were very much concerned with the technicalities of Canon Law. They did not try people over whom they had no jurisdiction, and they had no jurisdiction over any non-baptized individual, Jew, Moslem, or pagan. Period.

This is weaselry of the first magnitude. Jews were subjected to forced or coerced conversions. If they tried to maintain their Judaism in secret after their ostensible 'conversion', they were then subject to the Inquisition. If they did not convert, of course, they were often killed or expelled.

745 posted on 05/13/2006 2:48:54 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: curiosity
Very interesting, but they don't support your contention that either inquisition routinely persecuted openly practicing Jews.

Aha!, We've now gotten to "routinely" persecuted jews. Here's what the Jewish Encyclopedia has to say:

In the beginning, the Inquisition dealt only with Christian heretics and did not interfere with the affairs of Jews. However, disputes about Maimonides’ books (which addressed the synthesis of Judaism and other cultures) provided a pretext for harassing Jews and, in 1242, the Inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the Inquisitor Gui:

Working in the area of Toulouse (in modern France), he executed 42 people out of over 900 guilty verdicts in fifteen years of office. He produced a famous work, Practica Inquisitionis Heretice Pravitatis (The Conduct of the Inquisition of Heretical Depravity), which detailed a list of serious heresies in the early 14th century, and how inquisitors should conduct themselves in the questioning of members of particular groups. The groups he concentrated on were the Cathars, Waldenses, false Apostles, Beguines, JEWS, as well as sorcerers and necromancers.

I'm sort of curious what prize is left for you in this argument? You've conceded that Jews were, in fact, a target of the inquisition--you seem to be holding out for them being small targets--which I'll be happy to concede.

865 posted on 05/13/2006 10:43:51 PM PDT by donh
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