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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"You DO realize that this makes him against evolution, right?"

LOL. He had a flexible understanding of what evolution is. He was a promoter in the German (especiall Haeckel's) understanding of Darwin. But he accepted Darwin, even though he did not understand aspects of him correctly.

Hitler modeled his whole political and philosophical world view on Darwinism--as I have shown with endless quotes.

Only a fool (ahem) would think otherwise. Those who knew him and those who have studied him do not think otherwise.


926 posted on 04/29/2006 12:03:21 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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One of Hitler's confident's and a regular attendees at his table was Otto Dietrich:

"In his speeches he often mentioned the Almighty and Providence. But he personally was sharply hostile to Christianity and the churches, although the Party program came out for a “positive” Christianity. In private conversation he often remarked sarcastically, in reference to churches and priests, that there were some who “boasted of having a direct hook‑up with God:” Primitive Christianity, he declared, was the “first Jewish‑Communistic cell.” And he denied that the Christian churches, in the course of their evolution, had developed any genuine moral foundation. Having ordered trials of certain Catholic priests on charges of immorality, he used the findings of the courts as the basis for the broadest generalizations." -- Adolf Hitler by Otto Dietrich 1955, p. 153.

"Hitler was convinced that Christianity was outmoded and dying. He thought he could speed its death by systematic edu­cation of German youth. Christianity would be replaced, he thought, by a new heroic, racial ideal of God." -- Ibid, 155.

"Hitler was fond of ideas with cosmic sweep. He spoke of human beings as “planetary bacilli” and was a passionate adherent of Hoerbiger’s Universal Ice Theory. His evolutionary views on natural selection and survival of the fittest coincided with the ideas of Darwin and Haeckel." -- Ibid, 152.

"Among Hitler’s own justifications for his actions was his primitive philosophy of nature. Both in public speeches and private conversation he would repeatedly refer to this philosophy, his purpose being to convince his listeners that this philosophy represented the final truth about life. He took such principles as the struggle for existence, the survival of the fit­test and strongest, for the law of nature and considered them a “higher imperative” which should also rule in the commu­nity life of men. It followed for him that might was right, that his own violent methods were therefore absolutely in keeping with the laws of nature." -- Ibid, p. 19.


927 posted on 04/29/2006 12:04:29 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
"LOL. He had a flexible understanding of what evolution is."

Sorry, but the parts you excerpted showed he didn't believe in speciation. He believed in the fixity of species. That isn't evolution.

"He was a promoter in the German (especiall Haeckel's) understanding of Darwin. But he accepted Darwin, even though he did not understand aspects of him correctly."

No, you can't accept evolution if you believe that species (races) are immutatable.

"Hitler modeled his whole political and philosophical world view on Darwinism--as I have shown with endless quotes."

What you have shown is that your understanding of what evolution is and what Darwin said is next to nil.
936 posted on 04/29/2006 12:43:35 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Sam Hill
But he accepted Darwin, even though he did not understand aspects of him correctly.

"Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it an iron law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each animal mates only with one of its own species."

"This urge for the maintenance of the unmixed breed, which is a phenomenon that prevails throughout the whole of the natural world, results not only in the sharply defined outward distinction between one species and another but also in the internal similarity of characteristic qualities which are peculiar to each breed or species. The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, efficiency, endurance, etc., with which the individual specimens are endowed."

I suppose you could spin this as just a little misunderstanding of Darwin. It's certainly no further from Darwin than the understanding displayed by the current crop of anti-evolutionists.

But if evolution corrupts, then the depth of one's corruption should be correlated with the depth of one's knowledge of evolution.

Let's do a study comparing the rate of conviction for child molestation between biology teachers and clergymen.

958 posted on 04/29/2006 1:41:25 PM PDT by js1138 (somewhere, some time ago, something happened, but whatever it was, wasn't evolution)
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