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This review will make your blood boil.
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I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on the
12-05-05 Rita Cosby Live and Direct
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST
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But first: the family of Natalee Holloway—have they done more harm than good during the investigation into her disappearance? A scathing new article in “Vanity Fair” claims the family demanded too much, too soon from Aruban investigators in the days after Natalee vanished.
Some of the biggest complaints are coming from the island‘s deputy police chief, Gerold Dompig. Now, in the article, he says Natalee‘s mother and stepfather sidetracked the investigation from the very beginning.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what do we make of all of these allegations against the Holloway family? LIVE AND DIRECT tonight is Natalee‘s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty.
Beth, thanks for being on the show. And I have to say, I know this has to be very difficult for you, but we want to give you a chance to respond to this “Vanity Fair” article, which basically says you were so aggressive, the police were pressured into arresting the three young men prematurely, which then backfired and ruined the case against those very suspects. What do you say?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: Oh, it‘s just the exact opposite. We gave them 10 days. We gave them 10 days to clean up their story, clean up the mess, to lawyer up. We gave them 10 days too long, Jane. That‘s exactly what happened.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I guess what they‘re saying is 10 days wasn‘t enough, and that had they had more time, they could have followed them. Perhaps they would have gone back to the scene of the crime. Maybe they could have listened to their cell phone calls and monitored their e-mails, that kind of thing.
TWITTY: Well, that‘s wishful thinking. If only that would have happened. Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.
And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.
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BURROUGH: What they would have liked to have seen happen is for the suspects, the three young men, to have remained at large for a period of weeks, where they could have been followed, where their phones could have been tapped, they could have been surveilled. That is SOP. That‘s how they normally would have done it. In this case, because of pressure from the family and the media, they were forced to make arrests that they call premature.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But we have to ask you about some of these things that were in this article.
For example—and we do have this quote that we can put up on our screen. This is from the deputy Aruban police chief Dompig. And he says, “It was like nothing could satisfy them, nothing. Basically, Jug wanted us to come over and beat a confession out of these boys. We couldn‘t do that. These guys are hard-headed, especially Joran. We couldn‘t get a confession.”
He is talking about your husband. What do you say to that?
TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for joining us. You are mentioned quite a bit in this article, and basically, what it says is you were friends with Beth, you initially championed her cause and helped searched for Natalee. But at some point, you turned and ended up filing a police complaint, it says, against her husband, Jug. What‘s the story there? Did you really do that?
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: Yes, I did. Actually, you know, everything you just said is absolutely correct, in that I went all out to help Beth in every way, to help find her daughter. And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Beth, I want to hear what you have to say about this.
RENFRO: Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated. We were searching for answers. But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen. I was there. There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there. I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation. But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead...
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TWITTY: ... frustration—when you know the answers are there, when the family has hand-delivered the suspects to the authorities, and getting them to act on anything with any sense of urgency just became unbearable. You know, Jane, we pleaded with them early on, Tell us what you‘re gathering. Tell us how you‘re surveilling these guys. Tell us, are you tapping their phone lines? Are you recording their phone conversations? We never could get any answers from them.
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But let me ask Julia, what‘s next on this investigation? A lot of people feel that it‘s really reached a dead end.
RENFRO: Well, I don‘t believe it‘s (INAUDIBLE) a dead end. I did speak to Commissioner Dompig today, and his team of detectives are continuing to investigate every angle still of Natalee‘s disappearance. And from what I understood, they received some new information today that they‘re going to follow up with tomorrow, and I would imagine, speak to the family about. And it sounds pretty serious.
I know that they did for quite a while put a lot of emphasis and a lot of hope into those Jamie Skeeters tapes, hoping that that—those tapes would be the key to a possible rearrest of the trio.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and of course, that‘s just another controversy now.
RENFRO: Right. But unfortunately, those tapes turned out to be not very serious and basically don‘t have anything pertinent to the case.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, we don‘t know that yet. The FBI is looking at those tapes, trying to determine exactly what one of the suspects, Deepak Kalpoe, said. But you said that there might be some new information. Give us a hint. Anything? I mean, people are desperate for new information on this case.
RENFRO: Absolutely. And I believe that, as we all know, and as Beth knows and the family knows, it needs to go through the right vehicle, and that would be from the police to her lawyers.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Do you know anything? I mean, you‘re just not telling us, or you don‘t know?
RENFRO: I don‘t know.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the Aruban investigators say they are also very frustrated. In fact, we have the “Vanity Fair” reporter describing their frustrations. Let‘s listen in.
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BURROUGHS: I really don‘t see any evidence of corruption or a cover-up here. What you see is a police force that‘s done the best they can, but that, at least initially, moved slowly because they‘re presented with an awful lot of cases of missing American tourists.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, one of the things that I found most fascinating about this “Vanity Fair” article is that it suggests at the very end that there is a sandbar about 200 feet, I believe, offshore, and this is a sandbar where lovers go to make out and fishermen sometimes watch them. And if you dump a body on the far side of that sandbar, it would wash off towards Panama. I hadn‘t heard any of that previous to this, and they‘ve been searching everywhere. What do you make of that?
COPUS: Well, that‘s always interesting. Actually, I don‘t know about the sandbar. I definitely know about the fishermen‘s hut. And I question the “Vanity Fair” reporter, if he can‘t find corruption, then he probably needs to start back again. I think it‘s pretty plain that—I‘ve been down there. Any of us can do a Google search. You can see we have organized crime figures from America in Aruba.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: want to go back to Beth. Final thoughts. I mean, what‘s next for you? Some people say this case really has hit a wall. Are you going to give up? Are you going to go back to Aruba and keep plowing ahead?
TWITTY: I don‘t think this case has hit a wall. I think what has happened in this case is they have terminated our line of communication, so the family is in the dark about where the investigators are in this investigation. What we‘re hoping, though, is from the help of John Q. Kelly, that maybe he can open up a line of communication and bring us in the loop as to what‘s going on. I‘ve been hearing about possible new arrests or persons of interest being questioned through the media. So it would be nice to be getting that from Deputy Dompig or Karin Janssen herself.
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I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
10-10-2005 Scarborough Country
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SCARBOROUGH: I have just got to start by asking you, you were on “Dr. Phil” last week, a lot of Americans getting more enraged by what happened in Aruba and, more importantly, what did not happen in this investigation. Now people talking, including Dr. Phil, about a boycott of Aruba.
Do you think this pressure may actually lead to the Aruban authorities to get responsible and rearrest these guys, who they know had to be responsible for at least the rape and possible killing of your daughter?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, when you opened it up, you said it exactly right. It‘s kidnapping, rape.
And, you know, we all have seen this taped confession now. And I seen a little more movement in the last few days. And I think the increased pressure only causes some movement. It‘s just incredible how much pressure it does require. And they know the proper channel to—they know the proper channel to request this investigative material, contact the FBI. They have the number of the FBI that was given to them by Dave Holloway. And they have known how to proceed forward with getting this taped confession.
So, it was not—it was not supposed to be due to Dr. Phil. They knew the proper chain of command.
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SCARBOROUGH: Well, let‘s talk about this new evidence. You obviously
when you talk about a taped confession, you are talking about Deepak Kalpoe, one of the main suspects in Natalee‘s disappearance, telling polygraph expert Jamie Skeeters shocking details of that fateful night on May the 30th.
And that, of course, is the tape that everybody heard on “Dr. Phil.”
Let me ask you about—again, about that tape. Do you consider his -
his remarks that all three of these men had sex with your daughter on the beach to be telling enough to force the rearrest of these guys?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, absolutely, Joe, especially when you pair those with Joran‘s statement.
He specifically states in there how Natalee is coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly. And, also, he admits to having sex with my daughter at his home on May 30 at 1:40 a.m. Now, I think, if you look at all the evidence, it is there. And, you know, it just—it‘s just amazing to us that they are not acting upon this.
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SCARBOROUGH: So, you have—basically, what you have is these three suspects who are admitting they had—all three of them had sex with your daughter and, at the same time, saying that she was out of consciousness during parts of that night.
Obviously, if that had happened in America, these people would have been arrested. Have you contacted the authorities? Have you talked to them? Do you have reason to hope that they are going to actually be responsible and rearrest Joran and Deepak and his brother?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, first, we have to see if they will request this investigative material be sent to them. The FBI has the taped evidence.
They need to request it and they need to utilize it. You know, that‘s the whole key here. Once this evidence is obtained, they have to utilize it and act upon it. It cannot become missing from her file or it cannot be lost or misplaced or—you know, it has to be utilized and acted upon.
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SCARBOROUGH: Well, I—you know, none of us have been able to figure out how in the heck the Arubans run their investigations, how they run their court system. It seems—really, it seems like a banana republic.
I would never allow any of my kids now, after this terrible, tragic tale, to ever go down to Aruba. And I don‘t think any—any responsible adult out in America should until they clean this mess up. But I have got to ask you. I‘m just really curious, Beth. We kept hearing throughout the investigation, well, we have to keep things silent. We don‘t want to get any information out there before the trial comes up.
And, yet, they release the three guys and it‘s not until after they are released that we find out that all three of them had sex with your daughter on the beach while she was unconscious. Why didn‘t that come out during the judicial proceedings?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, that is what really frightens us, as her family, is, we think this information was coming out.
We think that it was coming out into Joran‘s and Deepak‘s statements, Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. We think that the information coming from them was very incriminating. And that‘s what frightens us, is, we have not had access to all of these statements.
Just think of the countless audiotapes and videotapes and statements that they have obtained from these suspects, let alone witnesses. We have never been allowed to see that and just can only imagine what these statements have said.
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SCARBOROUGH: What else is in there?
So, what you are basically telling me is, if you send a loved one down to Aruba or a loved one goes down into Aruba, they get raped or they get killed or something else very bad happens to them, then the victim has no rights in Aruba and the family members of the victims have no right in Aruba to find out what really happened to them.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I have not seen us or Natalee having her rights. What I have seen, though, are the suspects‘ rights protected. And I think that this was shown to everyone, the world, especially Judge Rick Smit, he released all three suspects. He was also the judge that presided over the ruling where Paulus van der Sloot was released.
And, also, he was the one who was instrumental in denying the warrants to—for searching the van der Sloots‘ primary residence. You know, that‘s where we talk about these political connections and protecting a political figure. And how deep do they go?
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SCARBOROUGH: It‘s good old boy politics of the worst kind in the Caribbean, obviously.
Let me talk to you about your meeting with a good friend of mine, Bob Riley. I understand you talked to the governor of Alabama. Do you think there may be a possibility down the road that the state of Alabama may take an official position on the boycotting of Aruba, if justice is not served and these three men are not thrown back in jail?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, Joe, I will just say that I had a very productive meeting with Governor Riley. And he has made some requests.
And we are going to sit back now and see if these requests are honored. And I think that he will proceed forward, depending on the results. So...
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SCARBOROUGH: Let‘s hope so.
And final question for you. What‘s your next step? I know you are going back to Aruba. We had this strange statement from the prosecutor‘s office last week that sounded like it may have been encouraging you to file additional charges or maybe make a motion to bring Joran back to Aruba.
What is your next step? What are you going to do first when you get down there? And are you going to possibly file any legal proceedings to try to get this case started back up?
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there are several different reasons why we are going and there are going to be two different searches going on.
One is going to be on the island itself, a couple of different areas that Dave has had some concerns about. And then there is going to be another search going on in the water. There have been a couple of areas of concern there. So, thirdly, I think that I‘m hoping to have a meeting with the prosecuting attorney and see if we can‘t iron out some details.
There was a concern of mine that my statement was falsified from June
1. So, that needs to be addressed. There are just some housekeeping duties that they need to face.
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SCARBOROUGH: I‘ll tell you what. Well, good luck trying to clean things up down there. It looks like a total mess.
And I‘ll tell you what, Beth. I think our government needs to step forward. I think the people of America need to step forward and demand justice in Aruba. If Americans get fed up enough and they boycott this island, we could break the back of their tourism industry. And I‘m afraid that is what is going to have to happen if they don‘t start, again, acting in a responsible way and find out what the truth is about your daughter.
So, Beth, thanks for being with us, as always. And let us know what we can do.
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Thank you so much, Joe, OK?
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