Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

To: Condorman
ERVs are endogenous retroviruses. The evolutionary viewpoint being that similar patterns of genetic modification serve as a genetic record of common descent.

I personally disagree with explanation and suspect that behavior the existence of insertion hotspots in species with similar genomes is a far better explanation for this. We already know that in many cases viruses display extreme tropism for the cells they infect - for example, the tendency of HIV to infect only those cells exhibiting CD34 and CCR surface markers. Additionally, we know that the genome displays a variable faculty for variation - the CPG mutations of achondroplasia, for instance. So it's safe to say that the empirical evidence points to a scenario where retroviral insertion exhibits tropism as well, and that this isn't the undeniable proof for evolution that some would make it out to be.

"...an honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going."

- Francis Crick, Nobel Laureate, Discoverer of DNA
98 posted on 04/19/2006 7:40:27 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies ]


To: Old_Mil
I personally disagree with explanation and suspect that behavior the existence of insertion hotspots in species with similar genomes is a far better explanation for this.

What you personally suspect is neither here nor there - what matters is which interpretation is supported by the evidence. As you probably know, anthropoid primates all have the same genetic defect that causes a lack of the L-GLO enzyme, preventing them from synthesizing ascorbic acid. In this case, the hypothesis that the common defect is a result of common descent - inheritance from a common ancestor - is supported by what we already know about common descent through cladistics and the fossil record. What evidence is there to support the hypothesis that this common defect is actually the result of multiple discrete events, occurring in each and every species that exhibits the defect?

123 posted on 04/19/2006 8:05:31 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies ]

To: Old_Mil
"...an honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going." - Francis Crick, Nobel Laureate, Discoverer of DNA

Sure wish I could collect £5 for every time I have seen this quote out of context. Just try google on the quote, and the first two pages of hits are from 'Creation Science' or similar websites.

But you have to find the original to get the balance of the paragraph, to wit:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that, in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going. But this should not be taken to imply that there are good reasons to believe that it could not have started on the earth by a perfectly reasonable sequence of fairly ordinary chemical reactions.

My emphasis. The next paragraph goes on:

The plain fact is that the time available was too long, the many microenvironments on the earth's surface too diverse, the various chemical possibilities too numerous and our own knowledge and imagination too feeble to allow us to be able to unravel exactly how it might or might not have happened such a long time ago, especially as we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against. [(Francis Crick, Life Itself, Its Origin and Nature, 1981, p. 88)]

127 posted on 04/19/2006 8:13:13 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies ]

To: Old_Mil
ERVs are endogenous retroviruses.

Fabulous. Whether or not you accept them as evidence of common descent I trust I have now laid to rest your complaint that:

I have yet to see an evolutionist offer an "evidence" on FR that cannot be distilled on the simplistic template of "similarity in morphology is sufficient evidence for commonality of descent."

...the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle..." - Francis Crick, Nobel Laureate

Ignoring for the moment the dishonesty of this quote (exposed elsewhere on this thread), why do you think the method by which life first began affects the validity of the theory of evolution?

294 posted on 04/19/2006 12:40:36 PM PDT by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson