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To: wintertime

"More personal attacks that do not address even one of the points I have made."

They are not personal attacks, they are observations. They are also correct. You don't like or support evolution, and your solution for everything is to get rid of government schools. You're a one trick pony. Pure and simple.

"Comparing me to a seminar caller will not make these arguments go away."

What arguments? Your only solution is to end government schools, because you can't stand evolution or evolutionists. It's not going to happen anytime soon, so in the meantime, something has to be taught. In science class that means science only; ID/creationism is out.


854 posted on 04/23/2006 10:08:02 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
What arguments? Your only solution is to end government schools, because you can't stand evolution or evolutionists. It's not going to happen anytime soon, so in the meantime, something has to be taught. In science class that means science only; ID/creationism is out.

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Only the very last part of your post is worth a response. The rest is personal attack.

You state that putting an end to government K-12 education
is not "going to happen anytime soon". I disagree. That government schools violate freedom of conscience is a powerful argument against them.

You are correct that children must be taught something, and that is why vouchers and tax credits are urgently needed, since as long as government run and owned K-12 schools exist First Amendment Rights are being violated every minute of every government school day. This is true whether the pro or anti-evolutionists win control of the science curriculum.

My fellow Pro-evolutionists should join me in consistently pointing out that neither evolution and ID can be approached in a manner by government K-12 schools that does not support the worldview of some while undermining those of others, and worldview has religious consequences.

If the principle that government schools violate freedom of conscience is consistently and pointedly put forth, and that government schools are not and never have been neutral religiously, culturally, and politically, this bedrock, axiomatic principle will gain acceptance. Vouchers, tax credits and ultimately complete separation of school and state will follow.

Why? Because good ideas win! Because people are not stupid.
958 posted on 04/23/2006 6:48:09 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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