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To: Kenny Bunkport
Evolution is a observed fact

So, someone has actually observed something rise from nothing, observed life rise from non-life, observed multi-celled organisms rise from single-celled organisms, observed intelligence rise from non-intelligence? You've got yourself a scoop there, buddy.

No, most people have observed it including yourself. Evolution is defined simply as occurring change or change is ongoing or a observed fact. The Theory of Evolution explains the observed fact. For the simplest proof there are 6.7 billion people on earth and no two have been found to be exactly the same so some change has occurred. Get a picture of your parents and stand in front of a mirror. If you are exactly the same no change has occurred and you are a clone. However is if there is any difference, no matter how small, some change or evolution has occurred. Evolution whether by reproduction or nature is still change.

No one has observed something rise from nothing, observed life rise from non-life, observed multi-celled organisms rise from single-celled organisms, observed intelligence rise from non-intelligence, nor has science proclaimed to do so. It does not address things other than observed facts. That you would pretend that it does is dishonest and misinterpetation. The origin of life is your faith and belief and when you can present it as a material fact it will be explained by science.

Now if you have looked in that mirror, you may find that you are a clone in thought but you have changed as a material fact.

93 posted on 04/05/2006 12:08:25 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Now you're being evasive and playing around with semantics. Evolution is more than simple change ~ let's go back to Darwin's point ~ evolution is change that explains the origin of species.

Due to modern discoveries in breeding that enabled researchers to move genes from one species of plant to another, there was some softening of this point. After all, it was beginning to look like plants were just one big ol' species with no boundaries, and no one wanted to deal with that.

Last week's Science News carried an article about even later research that indicates there are fixed boundaries to plant species, just like there are for animal species.

Consequently, it's safe to go back to the older standard and abandon the equivocation and cant.

Bacteria and archaeobacter have a different problem. Many bacteria of quite different species seem to be able to use conjugation to pass on beneficial genes to each other (presumably for immunological purposes, or maybe they're just into mysticism). Still there are species boundaries for bacteria, and no one has seems to have observed the creation of a new species lately ~ if ever, although they are all the time discovering new ones.

Now, what might the speciation among viruses mean? No doubt they evolve, but do viruses have species boundaries?

Again, mere change is not evidence of the original Darwinian claims for evolution. Else, we are all little different than the Creationist who accept breeding dogs for various traits, but reject the idea that such change might well end up with something other than a dog.

407 posted on 04/05/2006 5:08:18 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: jec41
For the simplest proof there are 6.7 billion people on earth and no two have been found to be exactly the same so some change has occurred.

So how many species are there? 6.7 million just of humans alone? If every single individual of plant, animal, or insect is considered a species because it is different form every other kind, then the Tree of Life needs some major correction; especially everytime something is born or dies. So how is *species* defined? Who gets to decide where to draw the line? If any change is evolutiion, then we should see new species arising regularly. Where are they? Just out of curiosity, what was the last known change from one species to another and when and where did it occur?

565 posted on 04/05/2006 8:52:10 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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