[muawiyah]

You're the guy who said: "It presupposes no such thing, life can be observed as a fact unless you think you are dead."

I simply pointed out that the anti-ID and anti-Creationist movement among evolutionists have made the argument that life cannot be observed as a fact in and of itself without reference to evolution.

Maybe you hadn't encountered those guys before.

[jec41]

I simply pointed out that the anti-ID and anti-Creationist movement among evolutionists have made the argument that life cannot be observed as a fact in and of itself without reference to evolution.

Show me the arguments. Science has only said that Creation and ID cannot be explained by science because they have not been observed as a material fact. If either can observe life different present the material fact and evidence.