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To: muawiyah
"Look, the commies and the fascists believe in an objective reality."

No, they didn't. They believed in a subjective reality that could become whatever they wished it to be, whatever their emotions wanted it to be.

"You and I might argue that it turns out as "subjective" as any other ideology, but they actually think that Superman or New Soviet Man can be created by forcing belief in their totalitarian ideology."

Exactly. They are subjectivists.

"It isn't often I can use a single piece to bring together communism, fascism, Islam and gnosticism, but there it is."

If the Gnostics believed in an objective reality, then they don't belong in that list. The others were all subjectivists.

"All of them assume it is possible to know all the truth, and here it is on this plate ~ take it."

1) I have not said it is possible to know all the truth; I said we can't know with 100% certainty.

2) Communists and Nazis believed that they could CREATE truth, that Truth was a malleable thing to be shaped by their emotions and their will. They did NOT believe in an objective reality. They were deeply subjectivist.

"Sorry ~ God, and "reality", continue to provide revelation of new things, new systems, new approaches to new questions or old, settled issues."

That's the claim. Which God? Which revelation?

"Notice that Islam argues that Mohammad was the LAST PROPHET and there will be no more revelations."

Christianity argues that Christ was the Son of God and died for our sins. That there will be Judgment day, and that the Bible is objectively true. Are you trying to say that Christianity does teach absolutes?

"Gnosticism argues that we can "know" with objective certainty."

And science says we can't know with 100% certainty. That doesn't mean there is no objective reality to discover.

"Sorry ~ doesn't work that way ~ it's quite subjective all the way down, and new stuff just keeps popping up all the time. Today there's news of two supermassive blackholes in a distant galaxy preparing to collide. Billions of stars will be sucked into the new super-supermassive blackhole."

This in no way is an argument against the existence of objective reality.

"Still, we know this happened hundreds of millions of years ago."

We know it with a great deal of confidence.

Again, your post-modernist subjectivism is not conservative. It's not for me.
691 posted on 04/06/2006 7:02:56 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

"Are you trying to say that Christianity does teach absolutes?"

That should be *doesn't*.


695 posted on 04/06/2006 7:05:57 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Christianity does not argue that the Bible is objectively true.

True, there are some people who might argue that, but they're the ones who would deny God the privilege of further revelation.

The God of the Universe really can't be capped.

696 posted on 04/06/2006 7:06:54 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

BTW, the commies and fascists believe their reality is an "objective reality" whether you do or not.


697 posted on 04/06/2006 7:07:44 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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