[muawiyah]

Then you are a Gnostic. The rest of us aren't, although most Moslems tend toward that sort of belief ~ Sharia Law certainly assumes there can actually be one fixed, immutable law.

Fascists with their fuhrer principle, and the Commies with Democratic Centrism, also believe in an objective reality which they can create and which everybody will believe even if they have to kill off the nonbelievers.

I think you should reassess your understanding of the place of "objective reality" in a universe where religious folks, of all stripes, accept change, revelations, miraculous occurrences, and so forth ~ all inexplicble at the time, but maybe explainable ultimately, and still useful in assisting in comprehending our existence for the time being.

Such mysticism allow them to accept the change that is constantly occurring.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Then you are a Gnostic."

Gnostics are not the only people who accept the existence of objective reality. You said they say we can know things 100% certain; I said we can't. Your conclusion does not follow from your premises.

"The rest of us aren't, although most Moslems tend toward that sort of belief ~ Sharia Law certainly assumes there can actually be one fixed, immutable law."

Ah, the subtle *You're really an islamo-facsist* bit. Sorry. You are digging yourself into a deep hole with your logical fallacies.

"Fascists with their fuhrer principle, and the Commies with Democratic Centrism, also believe in an objective reality which they can create and which everybody will believe even if they have to kill off the nonbelievers."

No, they believe in a subjective reality, where whatever they say or wish is true. You have it completely backwards. Thanks for invoking Godwin's law though.

"I think you should reassess your understanding of the place of "objective reality" in a universe where religious folks, of all stripes, accept change, revelations, miraculous occurrences, and so forth ~ all inexplicble at the time, but maybe explainable ultimately, and still useful in assisting in comprehending our existence for the time being."

Why should I have to yield to the subjective whims of others?

"Such mysticism allow them to accept the change that is constantly occurring."

It allows them to reject change. YEC's are a great example.

Again, post-modernist relativism isn't my bag.