Posted on 04/05/2006 5:50:41 AM PDT by zook
WASHINGTON — Accusing politicians of "pounding their chests" on immigration for short-term political gain, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the tone of the debate had been "hurtful" to him and his Mexican-born wife, Columba.
Bush, the younger brother of President Bush, reserved some of his sharpest criticism for conservatives in his own Republican Party, calling it "just plain wrong" to charge illegal immigrants with a felony, as a provision passed by the Republican-led House would do. He also opposed "penalizing the children of illegal immigrants" by denying them U.S. citizenship, an idea backed by some conservatives but not included in the legislation.
"My wife came here legally, but it hurts her just as it hurts me when people give the perception that all immigrants are bad," the Florida governor wrote in an e-mail exchange with The Times.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Yes or no - Do you think the President of the United States is guilty of treason?
U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"
Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]
1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.
Please don't call me a "pinhead" since that is, in fact, the FIRST time you answered the question. You even admitted about you REFUSED to answer it previously because you smelled a "rat". Personal attacks are not allowed at FR.
It's not looking good for El Presidente, and it's not looking good for FROBLs, either.
Yes or no?
LOL
susie
I'm here every Wednesday and twice on Thursdays - try the veal ; )
Wait, have you changed your talking points???
susie
I'm hoping the next Mexican President finally gets tough on his country's economy, corruption, etc.
Dream on. How do you expect that to happen? By hoping?
On our side of the border, we need to work on the demand side of the equation better. Higher levels of legal immigration and especially to make the process easier for qualified immigrants (i.e., the kind of people who aren't categorically prohibited from entering the country) would reduce the amount of needed enforcement by reducing the incentives to illegal immigration.
First of all, people are coming here to work, not to be assimilated and become American citizens. If we increase legal immigration, we won't be bringing in more unskilled, uneducated workers. We are already allowing approximately 1 million legal immigrants a year, more than any country on earth.
The present level of immigration is significantly higher than the average historical level of immigration. This flow may be attributed, in part, to the extraordinary broadening of U.S. immigration policy in 1965. Since 1970, more than 30 million legal and illegal immigrants have settled in the U.S., representing more than one-third of all people ever to come to America's shores.
At the peak of the Great Wave of immigration in 1910, the number of immigrants living in the U.S. was less than half of what it is today, though the percentage of the population was slightly higher. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor— or three-fourths— of all U.S. population growth.
The incentives for illegal immigration are clear and don't look like they will change anytime soon. Mexico benefits by exporting their surplus, unemployable labor and by receiving approximately 17 billion annually from immigrants sending their money back home. This represents more than the value of the oil they sell to the US and is the biggest source of foreign currency. The immigrants get jobs, free and better social services than in Mexico, and pay no taxes. Others are engaged in crime and drugs. American businesses recieve cheap labor without having to pay SS and other taxes, which increases their profit. Our politicians lack the political will to change fearing the political reprecussions.
Perhaps we could allow legal immigration at a higher cost to those who are unwilling to wait (I'd rather have them paying the U.S. Treasury than coyotes), so that more enforcement resources can be more effectively allocated where needed.
Legal immigration from where? We cannot absorb the amount of people who want to come here. They are coming not only from Mexico but from around the world. Increasing legal immigration will just add to the number of immigrants coming in, legal and illegal. Most of the illegals could never qualify to enter the US legally.
Creates quite a dilemma for folks like you, doesn't it...
Well, if it isn't our little rain cloud, always on the lookout for a picnic to piddle on.
Keyes doesn't create a dilemma for anybody, if his past two runs are any indication.
"Several million" is quite a stretch. Maybe a million. Maybe.
I'm calling you a pinhead because that is an accurate assessement of you and your tactics.
I don't owe you an answer for anything - I have long said on FR that I am not against legal immigration, long before you showed up on this site. You, however, engaged in the dubious practice of posting a vanity question for the sole purpose of trolling for a few responses to subsequently spray all over this thread as some kind of proof that those against illegal immigration are not being on the up and up. For that, you deserve derision, because you are not honest.
The first time I heard the phase, "one world order", uttered aloud from a politician was from the father of our current President. It gave me chills when I heard him say it then and now I understand his sons alot better now.
Instead of reasoned and respectful debate of ideas and principles, we see shouting, overtalking, personal attacks on character and motive, and little indication of clearly articulated positions on critical questions and principles for which previous American generations were willing to sacrifice their "lives, properties, and sacred honor."
How are current youth to understand what is meant by "a government of laws, not of men," of "Creator-endowed" life and liberty, and the means by which to preserve such fundamental principles if they hear no reasoned debate?
Previous administrations and Congresses, of both major Parties, as well as their appointed Judges, who began and perpetuated the process of ignoring well-established immigration laws and processes in America bear full responsibility for the serious and threatening situation we now face. It is time that the current leadership of both of the guilty Parties step up to the plate and, by their prompt action, demonstrate that America is, indeed, a nation of "laws," and that citizenship requires adherence to that principle.
If they need an example of a clearly articulated statement of principles and causes for action, they need look no further than their own Declaration of Independence. It stands as a fine example of reasoned argument on behalf of liberty!
BTTT
Simply responding to your usual slap at Alan Keyes. You're really quite obsessed with the man. If anyone was 'piddling', it was you...
The typical Mexican worker earns one-tenth his American counterpart, and numerous American businesses are willing to hire cheap, compliant labor from abroad; such businesses are seldom punished because our country lacks a viable system to verify new hires' work eligibility. In addition, communities of recently arrived legal immigrants help create immigration networks used by illegal aliens and serve as incubators for illegal immigration, providing jobs, housing, and entree to America for illegal-alien relatives and fellow countrymen.
Increasing legal immigration will not lessen or stem the flow of illegal immigrants, most of whom couldn't qualify as legal immigrants.
Just picking up the slack while MineralMan takes a break ; )
This is an interesting document which outlines the legal immigration process DAILY.
http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/DayinLife_050629.pdf
Some of the DAILY work of USIS according to their own document:
* Conduct 135,000 national security background checks
* process 30,000 applications for immigrant benefits
* Issue 7,000 permanent resident cards (green cards -PER DAY)
* Welcome 2100 new citizens.
* Welcome 3500 new permanent residents.
Does this look like we are not allowing enough "Legal" entries?
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