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Anyone watching the press conference about the accidental shooting in Texas?

Posted on 02/13/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by tsmith130

What keeps McCellan from taking off his shoe and throwing it at these people?! I'd last a nanosecond in that job. They keep badgering him about the EXACT time of everything. They're pissing over a few hours!


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To: Howlin
He's calling them BB's. Small buckshot; superficial wounds at best.

Because it was a bird shot .. any hunter could tell the media about this

401 posted on 02/13/2006 12:57:00 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Master of Orion

I'm sad that it didn't take longer for the press to find out. I'd love it if it was all over the web before the press found out! They are soooooo sanctimonious, thinking they DESERVE to know EVERYTHING FIRST!

They make me sick.


402 posted on 02/13/2006 12:58:01 PM PST by Muzzle_em ("Get busy LIVING or get busy dying")
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To: Howlin

"Stupid; watch the "new, young" ones; they are so void of any knowledge it's quite frightening; I began to notice it during Hurricane Katrina; simply put, their educations and world experience are totally lacking and they are devoid of any sense of reference."

The MSM is in a state of decline. Who wants to go into a declining field? They aren't exactly graduating the best and brightest this country has to offer.


403 posted on 02/13/2006 1:04:59 PM PST by webstersII
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To: Mo1
The first report I heard on this was on FOX yesterday afternoon.

It was explained that "it was bird-shot and so it wasn't like being shot by a shotgun, which of course would have been much worse."

Always makes me wonder about the accuracy of reports on subjects that I know nothing about.

405 posted on 02/13/2006 1:11:21 PM PST by Nova
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To: Jhohanna

I'd be interested in a link to those items if you could find one. As far as I can tell, no one broke this until the local Corpus Christi paper put it on their website Sunday afternoon


406 posted on 02/13/2006 1:12:00 PM PST by ER Doc
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To: ER Doc
I just really hope you are trying to plant the idea that an honorable man like our VP would sink to the depths of a Kennedy.

As cynical as I am about politics, this looks like miscues all the way around - not a coverup. The VP saw to it that his friend was publicly transported to a public hospital. That's a coverup in your book? Where were you during the clinton years? Now there were coverups.

And btw, welcome to Free Republic.

407 posted on 02/13/2006 1:13:55 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: webstersII
They aren't exactly graduating the best and brightest this country has to offer.

Walter E. Williams and other have said that the schools of education are the intellectual sewers of the universities. I have to believe that the journalism "schools" are giving them some serious competition.

408 posted on 02/13/2006 1:14:27 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: daybreakcoming
I just really hope you are not trying to plant the idea that an honorable man like our VP would sink to the depths of a Kennedy.

My bad...in a hurry

409 posted on 02/13/2006 1:15:29 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: dirtboy
Ok... just makin' sure... cuz most people don't. Well, ok, most people that I know of, anyways. I have been shot at point blank with birdshot, and gotten hurt, but not seriously, and certainly nothing embedded much. But I don't know what caliber weapon it was. Just that I got shot in the arse by a friend.

Which is all this was...I gotcha on the Mossberg.. I had to sell mine in CO because it's illegal here in Cali. :(:( But seriously, the media are wonkin' all over this because they think they can. And no one is putting the stomp down on them to get the to stop and shut up and pay attention to the real news... and quit trying to create it.

It seems that there are a few sides to this grumpfest, and many points are to be made - gee... maybe someone on the Prez's staff should sign up for Free Republic - but not the least of which has been the wonton ability for the Press Corp to blow molehills into the Himalayas, rather than report the facts. The delay, I blame strictly on protocols. A LOT of them. Again, I don't see what the big deal is on the delay stuff - because I did know of it Saturday night. Everyone else is just grumpy because they had to shovel snow instead. :P
410 posted on 02/13/2006 1:16:43 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: ER Doc

Ok, let me see if I can pull up some of the timestamps when I get home. I don't have Firefox at work, and I hit the sites from home, so I should be able to pull that up. :) Give me a few hours til then!


411 posted on 02/13/2006 1:18:12 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Jhohanna
Everyone else is just grumpy because they had to shovel snow instead.

Hey, my cousin does snow removal and was a man short and I volunteer to help him when the forecast was 3-6 inches. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished and I spent 8 hours shovelling sidewalks with 10-15 inches of snow.

412 posted on 02/13/2006 1:20:34 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy
But this was a major story - thanks for the kind words.

Hi dirtboy - how was this a major story in the overall scheme of things in the world right now? Titillating - yes. Agree? Major story, no. If they were "hiding something" as you suggest - why would the VP send him to a public hospital in a public ambulance? There would have been other methods.

414 posted on 02/13/2006 1:29:09 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: daybreakcoming
Hi dirtboy - how was this a major story in the overall scheme of things in the world right now?

Puh-leeze. Last I checked, the Veep was a major public figure. It's usually significant news when someone at his level accidentally shoots someone else.

If they were "hiding something" as you suggest

Please show where I suggested they were hiding something. I have said they were stupid for waiting that long to release the story, for whatever reason.

415 posted on 02/13/2006 1:30:45 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy

Well, you did post: "it creates the impression that there was something to hide." The rest of us simply disagree.


416 posted on 02/13/2006 1:35:27 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: dirtboy

>>Him injuring someone in a hunting accident is a signficant story. <<

WHY? It was an ACCIDENT!!

If you really believe there is something here, it is YOU who is not being objective. I would say the same thing if some RAT who I knew had hunted a long time did the same thing.


417 posted on 02/13/2006 1:36:58 PM PST by 1L
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To: clawrence3
Well, you did post: "it creates the impression that there was something to hide."

And that is far from saying they were hiding something.

418 posted on 02/13/2006 1:43:52 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: 1L
WHY? It was an ACCIDENT!!

Gawd, I don't believe I'm even discussing this.

419 posted on 02/13/2006 1:44:17 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: ER Doc

Well, I am a Texas lawyer, but am not terribly familiar with all criminal statutes. I can't find, on a basic search, the specific crime you mentioned. I do know that anything "negligence" related in the criminal law has a very high standard which isn't even close to what happened here. Because the criminal law is based primarily on intent, you can't just be negligent, unless its clear that you are going about things very recklessly and even an idiot knows better.

Strict liability only applies in vary narrow circumstances, and we aren't even close here. Basically, you have to be mishandling dynamite or something like that (non-state specific; just something I remember from law school!). SL can also apply in things like statutory rape, but again, it has to be something where no reasonable person would have a defense.

Don't confuse civil negligence with criminal negligence. Two very different concepts.


420 posted on 02/13/2006 1:45:40 PM PST by 1L
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