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To: Shalom Israel
"Ergo, she possessed the reflex."

Insufficient for adequate sustenance. And who would want to provide long term nutrition this way, even if her reflex was not impaired, which the tests showed it was?

You propose providing nutrition, drop by drop, at the point where the reflex is triggered, risking aspiration? Why? To say that you can? To say, "Hey lookee what I can do"? You call this "practicing medicine" -- or simply making a point?

Terri's swallow reflex was barely capable of handling low volume and slow moving saliva that managed to make it back far enough in the mouth to trigger the weakened reflex. Her tests showed she was capable of little else.

Beyond that, you're simply arguing an impractical technicality. Argue that with your Terri-bot friends. I am truly no longer interested in playing these games with you.

(Oh, and your coma patients probably still possessed the cough reflex and the gag reflex such that if you f#@$ed up when feeding them they wouldn't die. Lucky you.)

586 posted on 01/26/2006 7:26:30 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Insufficient for adequate sustenance.

If you strain really, really hard to remember, then I think you'll recall that I already pointed out that issue. But this is the first time you've caved in and admitted that the reflex is present at all; I suppose that's progress. Yes, it's entirely possible that she would have starved to death even with PO feedings, due to inadequate intake. Neither you nor I know that for sure, but it's certainly possible.

You propose providing nutrition, drop by drop, at the point where the reflex is triggered, risking aspiration? ... Oh, and your coma patients probably still possessed the cough reflex and the gag reflex such that if you f#@$ed up when feeding them they wouldn't die. Lucky you.

Your ignorance is showing again. You clearly have no idea how feedings work with comatose patients.

I am truly no longer interested in playing these games with you.

But we're making progress: you retracted one of the claims you had clung to most doggedly throughout this conversation. After taking one step on the path to mental clarity, why turn back now?

587 posted on 01/26/2006 7:57:43 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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