Terri Schiavo's former husband marries

cnn ^ | 1-22-06

[Shalom Israel]

The last time I checked, "reflex" equates to "involuntary". I stand by my statement.

In other words, hitting your knee with a mallet will have no effect, unless I happen to hit it at the moment that your knee-jerk reflex just happens to be causing you to kick? Um, you appear to have no clue what a reflex is or how it works.

A reflex is triggered by some stimulus; namely, the presence of something in the back of the mouth. Saliva triggers the reflex. But neither Terri nor her pharynx know the difference between saliva and any other liquid; whatever is placed in the back of the mouth will trigger the reflex.

Give it up, you condescending twit.

From the guy who doesn't know what a reflex is, that's almost enjoyably humorous. But I suggest that you try to understand things using small words; the big words are way too much for you. For example, you clearly looked up the swallowing reflex on the Internet after a recent post, but only ended up more confused. Hint: when feeding a comatose patient, no bolus is involved at all, let alone needs to be "propelled" to the back of the mouth.

[robertpaulsen]

I'm curious. What if Terri had a Living Will, essentially putting in writing what she had verbally said to the others (ie., I wouldn't want to live like that -- brain damaged, no hope of recovery, kept alive by artificial means)?

Would you have supported the removal of the feeding tube, thereby allowing her to die?

[blueriver]

The fact that he dated another woman (encouraged to do so by his wife's parents, by the way) when his wife was in a PVS does not constitute an inability to tell the truth. Not to me, it doesn't. And I don't know why it would to you.

I don't believe in bigamy.Maybe you think Terri did not deserve any better than a cheating husband. A person who lives with another woman while married to his wife is a low life. Somehow or other I do not think that would have been Terri's wish either. He lost all credibility once he started living with Jodi. In order to be believed one has to have credibility.

My premise, however, is based on the judge's order. He was there. He saw and heard the actual testimony from all those concerned. He heard the cross examination. He came away with "clear and convincing" evidence as to Terri's wishes.

Well now I get it - if Judge Greer says it is so well then it is so. I forgot Judge Greer walks on water for people like you.

[blueriver]

Simply not true.

According to the Schindlers that is what happened. I know you don't believe them, you prefer to believe a cheating, adulterous husband.

[JTN]

Why would you tell a transparent lie? Or, if you believe what you say above, why would you participate in a debate without basic comprehension skills?

Are you referring to #463? I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were being serious.

[Shalom Israel]

Are you referring to #463? I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were being serious.

OK, something is strange here: both JTN and robertpaulson exhibit identical lack of reasoning skills, identical habits of making pronouncements of opinions or disputed facts as if they were known facts, and have more than once now answered posts to one as if they were directed at the other. This is spooky.

So I guess the question is, which of you is the other's sock puppet? And does FR have a policy on multiple registrations by the same person?

[JTN]

So I guess the question is, which of you is the other's sock puppet? And does FR have a policy on multiple registrations by the same person?

Man, if you had any idea of my history with RP, you would not be asking that question.

[amdgmary]

The below article is from Catholic writer Jimmy Aiken's blog site.

Michael Schiavo Kills Wife Then Marries Mistress In Catholic Church

Terri Schiavo's [estranged] husband, Michael, has married his long-time live-in mistress.

In a Catholic church.

This is extremely problematic for the obvious reason: namely, that the Church seems to be putting its blessing on the marriage of a man who killed his wife in order to marry his mistress.

There ought to be a law against that kind of thing.

And in fact, there is.

Canon law specifically provides an impediment to prevent exactly this thing. It's known as the impediment of crimen (Latin, "crime"). If you bring about the death of your spouse with a view to marrying another person and then you attempt marriage, the impediment of crimen makes that new marriage automatically invalid.

The Code of Canon Law provides the following:

Can. 1090 §1. Anyone who with a view to entering marriage with a certain person has brought about the death of that person’s spouse or of one’s own spouse invalidly attempts this marriage.

§2. Those who have brought about the death of a spouse by mutual physical or moral cooperation also invalidly attempt a marriage together.

Further, only the pope can dispense from the impediment of crimen.

Now, when Michael Schiavo and his long-time mistress (with whom he has had children while his wife was in the hospital) applied to be married in a Catholic church in Safety Harbor, Florida then either the pastor took steps to contact Pope Benedict and have the impediment of crimen dispensed--and B16 did that (fat chance!)--or the pastor authorized an invalid union under Church auspices between Michael Schiavo and his mistress, Jodi Centonze.

Either way, this must be clarified. If the pope dispensed from crimen in this case then, given the gravely scandalous nature of this union, the fact of the dispensation must become public or, to mitigate the grave scandal done by the invalid union, the competent ecclesiastical officials must make clear that the union was invalid and that the Church's law prohibits precisely this kind of thing.

You may be thinking, "Well, there's not a lot that could be done at this point, is there?"

And you'd be wrong. There is a canon law procedure for handling this situation.

CANONIST ED PETERS HAS THE STORY.

This situation is simply so outrageous that action must be taken by the competent Church authorities.

First, if a dispensation from crimen was not granted by the pope (as is overwhelmingly likely) then the parties are in an invalid union and they need to be made aware of this fact.

Second, members of the general public who are scandalized (in the popular sense) by the spectacle of the Catholic Church putting its blessing on a kill-your-wife-to-marry-your-mistress marriage must be given the message that the Catholic Church really takes seriously the culture of life and will not put its blessing on this kind of murderous immorality.

Just imagine what many non-Catholics must be thinking at this very moment: "I don't see how the Catholic Church really believes in a culture of life if it's willing to marry people who have killed their spouses in order to marry their mistresses. All its talk about protecting human life is just talk. They don't really mean it. When push comes to shove, they're totally happy uniting wife-killers and their mistresses in the bonds of holy wedlock."

Third, members of the Catholic Church need to have a cause of scandal (in the technical sense) removed. As medicine is now able to dramatically prolong life, many more Catholics will find themselves in the same situation as Michael Schiavo: Their spouse will be unable to advance their own interests for medical reasons, they will have power of attorney for their spouse, they will meet someone who they would like to marry, and then they will be tempted to use that power of attorney to bring about the death of their spouse "with a view to entering marriage with a certain person."

In other words, the Church must clarify this situation in order to avoid more disabled spouses in hospitals getting euthanatized so that the non-disabled spouses can get married to someone they have their eye on.

Lives really are at stake here.

If the competent ecclesiastical officials (possibly involving those in Rome) do not clarify this situation then people will die.

Those wishing to contact relevant individuals to request a public clarification of the matter may contact:

Rev. Stephen Dambrauskas, JCL Promoter of Justice Diocese of St. Petersburg 905 South Prospect Avenue Clearwater, Florida 33756-4039
Phone: 727-446-2326 / 442-8884
Fax: 727-446-4287
E-Mail: tribsp@tampabay.rr.com

They may also contact:
His Excellency Pietro Sambi
Apostolic Nuncio
3339 Massachusetts Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20008
Telephone: (202) 333-7121
Fax: (202) 337-4036

Source

[steelcurtain]

This is extremely problematic for the obvious reason: namely, that the Church seems to be putting its blessing on the marriage of a man who killed his wife in order to marry his mistress. There ought to be a law against that kind of thing.

Luckily for some of you folks, there isn't a law against libel.

[amdgmary]

Ping to post #508 regarding Schiavo's marriage and the Catholic Church

[Ohioan from Florida]

That was a very thoughtful post, and I for one appreciated your comments. I completely understand, too, about your cat. It doesn't sound ridiculous to me. My family had a dog who died a natural death, and we stayed with him till the end. The veterinarian was planning to stop by to check on him again, but the little sweetheart didn't make it that long. At least he died with the comfort of family around.

[pickyourpoison]

" $300.000 wasn't enough for him "

I've often wondered if there was no lawsuit, no monies, if Terri would be alive today.

[Shalom Israel]

Man, if you had any idea of my history with RP, you would not be asking that question.

Even spookier. I've never met interchangeable persons before.

[8mmMauser]

Look what is happening in Florida! Please check out amdgmary's post #508. Maybe somebody can apply pressure.

8mm

[Ohioan from Florida]

Thanks. Although I care not what Michael and Jodi do privately, what they do publicly does concern me. The fact that they were married inside of a Catholic Church causes me concern as one of the faithful. I will ask for clarification, although I suspect that communicating to anyone within the St. Petersburg Diocese will be fruitless. However, I must give the Diocese a chance to explain.

[gopheraj]

I don't believe you will ever get an answer. What I don't understand is why the posters (who are comfortable with what was done to Terri and other disabled people) don't stay away from Terri threads. They must know that they aren't going to change anyones minds. IMO some just like to argue or say they are right no matter what. I know there are some on both sides who like to argue but I don't think that the Terri side goes to other threads just to argue their opinion (I could be wrong and would like to see posts thereof)

[gopheraj]

"Or is she living without her soul right now,"

Oohh that's scary! Sort of a Return of the Living Dead. ;^)(of course, we all know what the true answer is)

[originalbuckeye]

The 'clear and convincing evidence' is such a crack-up. Greer is/was high up in the euthanasia movement. How much would it take to convince a euthanasia advocate that Terri needed to die? Greer is as scary a judge as has ever lived.

[Ohioan from Florida]

;-)

[blueriver]

Greer is as scary a judge as has ever lived.

Yes, of all the people involved I say he is most to blame. He was the only person that could have prevented the travesty. He never once acted on Terri's behalf as he was required to do. He never should have allowed MS to use her money for his legal fees. That was a the first of many obvious things he did that proved that he was biased.