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Terri Schiavo's former husband marries
cnn ^ | 1-22-06

Posted on 01/22/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by LouAvul

SAFETY HARBOR, Florida (AP) -- Terri Schiavo's former husband has married his longtime girlfriend, friends and family members say.

Michael Schiavo and his longtime girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, were wed Saturday at a church in Florida. The bride's brother says it was a very emotional ceremony.

Schiavo's former wife, Terri, had suffered severe brain damage more than a decade ago and died last March after her feeding tube was removed.

Michael Schiavo had argued his wife was in a vegetative state, and would not want to be kept alive artificially.

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The newlyweds first met in a dentist's office and began a relationship after Terri Schiavo was already in a nursing home. They have two young children.

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To: SteveMcKing

Jodi had best watch her back.


441 posted on 01/23/2006 3:22:06 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Judge Greer admitted, in the court record, that he gave less weight to Michael's testimony. You're not breaking any new ground here.

The only supportive evidence was his testimony and that of his brother and sister. So apparently he devalued Mr. Schiavo's testimony, but found it utterly persuasive that his brother and sister backed him up. That takes a moron.

Mercy. Noun. Allow to die.

"Allow" to die by withholding nourishment and water. You need to buy an English dictionary; the rest of us don't know Newspeak.

442 posted on 01/23/2006 3:29:41 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Why would you want to provide nourishment P.O. to a patient who cannot swallow voluntarily?

I said "any attempt." As in, "Go ahead and attempt it, you grieving relatives. Since she's utterly incapable of swallowing, she'll die anyway--so what harm would it do for you to try? Feel free, if it makes you feel better."

443 posted on 01/23/2006 3:31:10 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: BykrBayb
"He didn't see any of the visual evidence"

Was that brought up on appeal? Was it significant to the case? How did that affect his ruling?

444 posted on 01/23/2006 3:32:30 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Oh, I'm sure they wouldn't use a term like "raiding". But they would have been entitled to every penny of it, in that they intended to care for her in their home.

And in a normal world, accountable for every damn penny of it. In order to spare myself unending grief, I bought my mom's toiletries out of my own pocket. Her clothing were holiday presents from myself and the kids, out of our own pockets. My mom was not cared for in the home, either. If she had fallen and I had tried to pick her up, we would have both been in deep doodoo. As for money, I would have been under even more closer scrutiny had I personally cared for her in her own home.

All I'm asking is that you read the articles posted on those threads, not to eat broken glass. Robert, for some reason my gut tells me that you are a decent person, and so I will hold out hope for you.

445 posted on 01/23/2006 3:51:35 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: pandoraou812
That clarifies things considerably. My allusion to power play was meant on your sister's part. It's hard to treat them because they would rather drink than get treatment for the probable undelying cause, depression.

I can relate to dealing with drinking problems. It's endemic in my family, and I can't deal with it any more. So I don't. They are on their own in that department.

446 posted on 01/23/2006 3:59:06 PM PST by Aliska
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To: robertpaulsen
Oh. Here I thought you knew.

To get to the truth in this case one need only know that he did not do it out of love for Terry. What else is there to have to know? All other reason's are about him and his needs and therefore not acceptable.

447 posted on 01/23/2006 4:03:54 PM PST by blueriver
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Jodi had best watch her back.

Jodi and MS are cohorts. They are both cut from the same mold, each of them need to watch their backs. Jodi is and never was an innocent bystander.

448 posted on 01/23/2006 4:07:51 PM PST by blueriver
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To: Aliska

Thank you for that post. I think a lot of us feel that way whenever an issue like this comes up. They got their happy ending at last, and they are eating it up.


449 posted on 01/23/2006 4:27:41 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Shalom Israel
"I notice that you didn't ask, "How was Michael Shiavo's testimony self-serving?"

We'll get to that. I was most interested in the second half of your, "My point is that there is nothing corroborating self-serving testimony except other self-serving testimony."

But now you've changed it to "their testimony is also suspect". Suspect? What happened to "self-serving"?

Second request. How was Scott Schiavo's testimony self-serving? How was Joan Schiavo's testimony self-serving?

450 posted on 01/23/2006 4:31:23 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: BykrBayb
"We shouldn't assume that you want what you've supported all this time."

It's obvious that you don't have a clue what I support.

451 posted on 01/23/2006 4:33:11 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Admin Moderator

Has the creator of the picture complained?


452 posted on 01/23/2006 4:35:47 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: robertpaulsen
But now you've changed it to "their testimony is also suspect". Suspect? What happened to "self-serving"?

What a dimwit. They have personal motivation to back up their brother. How can that not get through to you, even on the third explanation?

You assertion that I've "changed" anything proceeds from that basic confusion on your part. Their testimony is "suspect" because personal considerations would motivate them to support their brother. Another name for "personal considerations" is "self-interest"; actions motivated by self-interest are termed "self-serving"; when testimony is "self-serving" it is consequently "suspect".

I had hoped that inserting the word "suspect" would trigger a certain thought process on your part. Something like this: "Oh, yeah! I can think of parallels in which I would regard corroboration from a family member to be suspect! I wonder why that is? Um, I know! Because family members are motivated to back each other up! Perhaps, just perhaps mind you, but perhaps that's what Mr. Shalom meant by 'self-serving' testimony. I wonder...."

Sadly, the bulb didn't go off over your head. It's either broken, or of insufficient wattage for you to see the light.

453 posted on 01/23/2006 4:40:08 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Shalom Israel
"but found it utterly persuasive that his brother and sister backed him up. That takes a moron."

A moron would think that Joan Schiavo was Michael's sister.

""Allow" to die by withholding nourishment and water."

They removed the surgically implanted artificial feeding tube, thus fulfilling her wish not to live that way. You lose.

454 posted on 01/23/2006 4:40:49 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Shalom Israel
I stand corrected. Why would you want to attempt to provide nourishment P.O. to a patient who cannot swallow voluntarily?

Any other experiments you'd like to try? Some hearing tests? Follow the balloon tests? Some speech tests? What?

455 posted on 01/23/2006 4:44:54 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
A moron would think that Joan Schiavo was Michael's sister.

...in law. Excellent job of fixating on inconsequentialities. Are you really a beta, or do you just play one on FR?

They removed the surgically implanted artificial feeding tube, thus fulfilling her wish not to live that way. You lose.

After removing your statement of opinion, I hope it's clear that your statement of fact is notably incomplete. They also arrested persons who attempted to bring beverage containers into her proximity, and placed guards in the room to ensure that no substance was brought in contact with her mouth.

456 posted on 01/23/2006 4:46:23 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: blueriver
"To get to the truth in this case one need only know that he did not do it out of love for Terry."

That's your starting premise, not mine.

It would have been much easier for Michael to have walked away in 1994 with his $300K and his new girlfriend. Much easier.

Instead, he stayed to carry out her wish. You say he didn't do it out of love, but you haven't said why he did do it. I asked you point-blank. Why so secretive? Afraid of looking silly?

Like all the other Terri-bots on this thread, you've got nothing but rumor, gossip, innuendo, character assassination, speculation, "unanswered questions", conspiracies -- everything but FACTS.

457 posted on 01/23/2006 4:53:44 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Aliska
I've really agonized over this. What does God really think about it all? Is he there? It really rocks your faith, especially when you are considered dumb for believing those old silly fairy tales.

So have I. I have also agonized wondering if He really exists over things in my personal life. One wonders how the Lord could let something like this happen to the most helpless of his flock, but he is God after all. Who else but Him could get the folks at the Village Voice and the Pope together on the same issue??? God works in mysterious ways, so another old fairy tale goes ;-) While we recoiled in horror and revulsion over what happened to Terri, something else also happened...opposing sides came together to express our outrage and over the treatment over a living, breathing human being.

Did God sacrifice Terri to send a message? Who knows?

I have become very lazy about emailing officials, because of not only health concerns, but also a move to a new home. I really think that the Pope has already heard about this, but if everyone who cares about it does send a communication, maybe it will hasten change here in the US. Ol' Rog in Los Angeles is already in the hot seat.

I have had another personal setback in my life, and I will leave it in God and the Blessed Virgin's hands. It's all I can do. Of course there is another part of me that would like to go to Big 5 and pick up something to solve my problems. Praise the Lord that he helps me keep a level head and self control.

458 posted on 01/23/2006 5:00:39 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: robertpaulsen
I stand corrected. Why would you want to attempt to provide nourishment P.O. to a patient who cannot swallow voluntarily?

I was tempted to strike the relative clause containing yet another assertion of disputed fact as if it were undisputed. Hint: it starts with "who". But I'm increasingly impressed with the uselessness of educating you on the difference between fact and opinion, or between assertion and proof. So I'll answer your question as it was posed.

First, you appear to be misusing the word "voluntarily". She swallowed her own saliva, which is sufficient motility for her to be given liquids. Whether this is "reflex" or an act of will is not relevant; you seem to be using the adjective "voluntarily" in order to simultaneously recall her impaired mental state and also falsely suggest that she is incapable of receiving nourishment PO.

I just realized that this should be pointed out, because not all readers have worked as health-care professionals, as I have, and so they might not realize that your wording, which I've ignored as meaningless, is indeed meaningless.

Second, supposing she could not swallow at all, as you appear to be trying to imply falsely, there is still a benefit to the exercise: her grieving family members would be able to see that she truly could not swallow, which would help them release the false hope they had clung to for so long, and come to grips with her PVS.

Schiavo would be able to position himself in the middle ground--allowing nature to take its course, while allowing the parents to make their final, fruitless efforts to save their loved one. Terri gets her wish, the parents are permitted to make their best peace with the tragedy, Schiavo gets good PR, and he escapes the family's hatred as well as whatever repercussions might proceed from that. It's win-win-win, for him, Terri and Terri's parents. (Again, assuming that everything Schiavo said in the case were gospel truth.)

459 posted on 01/23/2006 5:01:18 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: steelcurtain

Hey cool! Thanks for posting your brain scan :-)


460 posted on 01/23/2006 5:02:11 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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