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Terri Schiavo's former husband marries
cnn ^ | 1-22-06

Posted on 01/22/2006 11:35:40 AM PST by LouAvul

SAFETY HARBOR, Florida (AP) -- Terri Schiavo's former husband has married his longtime girlfriend, friends and family members say.

Michael Schiavo and his longtime girlfriend, Jodi Centonze, were wed Saturday at a church in Florida. The bride's brother says it was a very emotional ceremony.

Schiavo's former wife, Terri, had suffered severe brain damage more than a decade ago and died last March after her feeding tube was removed.

Michael Schiavo had argued his wife was in a vegetative state, and would not want to be kept alive artificially.

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The newlyweds first met in a dentist's office and began a relationship after Terri Schiavo was already in a nursing home. They have two young children.

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To: JTN

I dispute that. I think they were all lying.

However, show me the proof that Terri gave "informed consent" to be free of a feeding tube, and I'll let you have that one.

What she supposedly gave oral consent to was to have other life-support withdrawn, because those movies and the grandmother were on ventilators and other machines. At the time she made her alleged statements, a feeding tube was considered ordinary treatment, not life-support.

Thus, there was no longer clear and convincing evidence as to what she would want to be done with a feeding tube. The movies didn't reference it and the law hadn't been changed.


141 posted on 01/22/2006 5:27:44 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: SoothsayerToo
Those of you that have been so passionate in your support for Schiavo, what has changed? Any law changes? Any judicial nominees that support your view point? Perhaps you could point out to us your most recent cause celebre and how that is changing minds on the issue. All I see is the same type of name calling rants as there each time this issue posts on FR

I think present Supreme Court nominee Alito will hand you a lot of changes- on a silver platter. This month,I'm sure all thoughts turned to Terri Schiavo when that child in Massachusetts was caught in the middle of a fight to have her life support removed so her abuser wouldn't be charged with murder.

Your culture of death will no longer being tolerated. There will soon come a day when it is no longer shrouded in your non-existant right to absolute privacy.

Give us a few years. I'm quite sure an estranged ex-husband, with non-existant evidence and questionable motives will no longer have the right to starve his first wife to move onto his second.

Sorry if that screws up your future plans.

142 posted on 01/22/2006 5:31:29 PM PST by N. Beaujon (http://www.nbeaujon.com)
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To: LouAvul; T'wit; 8mmMauser; amdgmary
"The newlyweds first met in a dentist's office and began a relationship after Terri Schiavo was already in a nursing home. They have two young children."

Well, that makes it okay, then. And it was okay to MURDER HER TOO.

Sounds like a typical romance to me. In 2003, the spin was that due to her religious beliefs Jodi could not marry a divorced man but she could marry a widower. What religion says that MURDER is okay? I'm think Senator Jim King's religion - the religion of the almighty dollar.

143 posted on 01/22/2006 5:31:40 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: flaglady47; Hildy
An a pox on those sad people here who have repeatedly invoked the name of Jesus... while defaming, slandering and bearing false witness against Michael, his family, the judge, the doctors, the legislature, the courts, other FReepers and even the local Bishop.
144 posted on 01/22/2006 5:32:18 PM PST by Wheee The People
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To: md2576
WINO cut off Terri's rehab in 1993.

Michael Schiavo should be glad there was a Judge Greer for him to keep in his pocket. It took a village to MURDER TERRI.

145 posted on 01/22/2006 5:36:28 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: deport
Low life or not, that's his and her right to do so. Or isn't it?

What kind of straw man argument is that? Of course, he has the "right" to marry whoever he wants. It's also our right, and certainly mine, to pass judgement on both of them and hope that, in the end, he gets exactly what he deserves. What will that be? Maybe one day that nutbag George Felos will be arguing his new wife's right to pull his plug.

146 posted on 01/22/2006 5:36:49 PM PST by N. Beaujon (http://www.nbeaujon.com)
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To: Shalom Israel
By contrast, all of Terri's family and friends agreed in their testimony to the opposite effect.

Oh yes, after reading Wolfson's report on what the family testified they would do to keep this poor woman 'alive', I'm quite positive the court made the right decision. Her family was quite the morbid lot.

It would rather depend who the individuals were. When one of the three is the plaintiff, and the other two have evident reasons to support the plaintiff, then their testimony doesn't bear that much weight with an intelligent man.

It bore the weight with the courts. Oh, but I do forget, 'we' don't like Greer do we...I guess 'we' don't support any of the other courts that refused to intervene as well

So saying, you casually dismiss Terri's family members' and friend's testimony--while you just as casually treat the plaintiff's self-serving testimony as unquestionable

Let's see. One side advocated letting her die in peace, after reports from doctors that actually examined her (no 'Nobel Prize' nominees in that group I'm afraid...). Her family on the other hand advocated chopping off body parts if necessary to keep her alive. Of course she wasn't using said body parts but damned if I'd let some ghoul chop off body parts of someone I once loved just to say that person was 'alive'.

147 posted on 01/22/2006 5:37:22 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: md2576
he loved her and waited and struggled for years to get his wife back to normal. When it failed he decided to let go.

No, he did not decide to "let go." If that were anywhere near true he would've divorced Terri. As it is, he didn't "let go" but pursued her death to the bitter end.

Objective fact which you can interpret any way you wish. But don't say he decided to let go. That's just flat wrong.

148 posted on 01/22/2006 5:37:37 PM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: Hildy
I would like to beg anybody who has a Living Will, or is planning on having one, to go to How Safe is your Living Will?, get the facts and download a Will to Live for his state!
149 posted on 01/22/2006 5:40:32 PM PST by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: TaxRelief

Death worshippers (death for others) could never have a real wedding sanctified by God.


150 posted on 01/22/2006 5:40:50 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Wheee The People

You know what's really frightening to me is that the alleged "Christian" supporters of Terri Schiavo, are so incredibly irrational in the face of facts. That's much too Taliban-like for my tastes, and heaven help us if such types ever get in positions of power. They are as irrational as the far-left Dems (Michael Moore/Cindy Sheehan types) are.


151 posted on 01/22/2006 5:40:57 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: Hildy

It's death worshippers not death lovers.


152 posted on 01/22/2006 5:43:11 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: billbears
Dieing in peace? She was starved to death, given no fluids, dehydrated, lips cracked, eyes sore. The mucuous membranes of the body are more sensitive then the rest -- when they dry out it is a constant irritation and pain.

Dear ol' billbears have YOU ever gone without food and water for 24 hours? Or 48? Try it. Tell us then how "peaceful" it is.

153 posted on 01/22/2006 5:43:26 PM PST by bvw
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To: JTN
So that's the standard, eh?

No. Learn to read, and then do it, carefully. The progression of argument was this:

  1. You appear to be making an assertion of incontrovertible fact. By what means do you know that this fact is incontrovertible?

  2. Perhaps you spoke to her directly? Personal knowledge of another's stated wishes is of course the strongest basis on which one may assert knowledge of incontrovertible fact. Was this how you knew? No, it wasn't. So how do you know?

  3. Answer: you know because Michael Schiavo said so. Which naturally raises the question: on what basis does Michael Schiavo's say-so represent incontrovertible fact?

  4. The strongest basis on which to take Mr. Schiavo's testimony as fact is, of course, if other witnesses agree, and no witnesses disagree, with his testimony. That is, if the consensus of all witnesses agrees with Mr. Schiavo's statements, then one is naturally justified in assuming his statements to be true. So do all the witnesses agree with Mr. Schiavo?

  5. Answer: no. So on what basis does one conclude that Mr. Schiavo's testimony is to be treated as fact, and any conflicting testimony is to be treated as falsehood?

  6. Answer: one is now reduced to the unfortunate task of deciding which of two conflicting testimonies is true. One of the best sources of confidence in testimony is if the witness is disinterested--for example: if the witness stands to gain or lose nothing by the outcome of the trial; or if the witness's testimony would produce an outcome that the witness doesn't wish. For example, if her priest believed Schiavo's expressed wish to be tantamount to the mortal sin of suicide, but was forced to admit that such was her wish, then this would carry weight. If an ex boyfriend who had attempted to murder her in the past were to testify that she desired death, this would be highly suspect. So, was the testimony in this case disinterested?

  7. Answer: no. The principal witness in this case is Michael Schiavo himself, who was seeking the outcome of his wife's death, and who had undertaken political activity to legalize her starvation in the first place. This is hardly a disinterested party. His corroborating witnesses are his brother and sister, clearly also not disinterested parties.

  8. On what basis, therefore, do you assert that Mr. Schiavo's testimony is indisputably truthful? There can be only one answer: you wish to believe it.

By contrast, I do not claim to know for sure what Terri's wish was. Her family and friends weren't disinterested either, obviously. I find the Schiavos' testimony less credibly than the Schindlers', but in fact the correct decision doesn't require that one believe the Schindlers either. Given the conflicting testimony, and the clear biases of the witnesses, one has no choice but to err on the side of not taking life. Just as we would rather see a guilty man acquitted than an innocent man executed, so we must keep the woman alive without sufficiently compelling evidence of her wishes.

In Florida law a verbal statement is considered just as binding as a written statement in these matters, and Terri made them to three different people all on different occasions.

There you go making statements as if they were indisputable facts. Three parties, who are biased and closely related to each other, claim that she made this statement. More than three witnesses, including at least one non-family-member, claim that she made the opposite statement. This leaves me uncertain which is correctly representing Terri's wishes--but, mysteriously, it leaves you completely without doubt. You have the makings of a very religious man: tenacious clinging to blind faith is a plus in many religions.

I certainly hope so since, like three quarters of Americans, I wouldn't want to be forced to be kept alive like that.

If there's any doubt on the matter, we'll go ahead and snuff you just to be on the safe side. Better to err on the side of death, I always say.

154 posted on 01/22/2006 5:46:43 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Hildy
TERRI HAD BED SORES. If you are going to brag about what a stellar guardian MS was, get your facts straight.

www.ourfight4terri.com (reference book of court transcripts, exhibits and medical records).

155 posted on 01/22/2006 5:47:29 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Hildy

Guilt. I guess he figured he'd make it up to her if she survived. I'm not saying it was premeditated. I suspect it was an accident or a crime of passion. Nonetheless, no one has yet answered my question. Exactly when did Terri tell Michael, after he received his settlement, that she would rather die?


156 posted on 01/22/2006 5:49:08 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Hildy

I can answer that one. He felt guilty. He didn't mean to hurt her, but I think he did just the same. Consider yourself lucky if you have never been abused before.


157 posted on 01/22/2006 5:49:30 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: marajade
Fla AG Crist is a friend of Judge Greer and the other bodies in Tallahassee did a faux investigation...

Judge Greer ran an illegal campaign in 2004 but who's counting? He broke so many laws to get to the death order state.

The TRUTH ABOUT JUDGE GREER at www.judgegeorgegreer.com

"I don't want anyone feeding that girl." and NO TESTS, NO NOTHING. She was treated worse than an animal.

158 posted on 01/22/2006 5:51:54 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Halls
So you think Dehydrating a brain damaged person is ok than huh? That is Euthanasia and only Liberals believe that is ok and good. I think you should go to DU, you might fit in there better.

That's right. Here we are now at that pivotal part of the discussion where you say I am an evil DUer because I should allow someone's body to die. Many parents make the same decision when their babies are born with Anencephaly but these babies could easily be kept alive with today's technology. This is where we need to draw a line between allowing God to take what's his and technology allowing our "bodies" to cheat death. I do not believe a living human should be put to death. I also do not believe that someone who has been decapitated should be kept alive due to the fact that we have machines that can replicate all other normal body functions. If you have no brain then you have no life and your soul has already gone to heaven. That is my belief and I don't see why god would want my "body" to remain on earth while my soul was in heaven. I would not feel this way if Terri had a chance to live the kind of life she could enjoy and participate in. It is obvious that Terri would not have wanted to be kept alive if she was unable to comprehend whether she was alive or not. Perhaps the true crime was inserting a feeding tube into a person that would never be able to have a cognitive existence.

159 posted on 01/22/2006 5:51:58 PM PST by md2576 (Clinton's reaction when presented the Abortion Bill = "Just go ahead and pay it.")
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To: billbears
It bore the weight with the courts. Oh, but I do forget, 'we' don't like Greer do we...I guess 'we' don't support any of the other courts that refused to intervene as well.

And one cannot question a court's decision, of course. Greer's decision, Roe v Wade, Dred Scott, Kelo v New London--whatever the courts decide is true, right and above any further criticism, ever.

I'm impressed. You'd make a good Catholic--you've got the requisite respect for the pronouncements of the magisterium--but you'd make a lousy intellectual. They have a nasty habit of thinking that it's permissible to discuss things, and even to criticize past decisions of courts.

160 posted on 01/22/2006 5:52:08 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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