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To: Pyro7480
Your interpretation of Scripture is what is at fault here, not Scripture itself.

If so, you have yet to demonstrate that from the Scripture.

To say Mary is only the Mother of His human "part" is to deny that the Word made Flesh.

To say Mary was the "Mother of God" without any qualifying clauses is to deny that God is Eternal and pre-existed her.

Words have consequences.

In any case, we're rather far afield of the actual issue at hand in debating the semantics of the Incarnation: Many Catholics (and I don't recall whether you've ever fallen into this trap) will say that they go to Mary and ask her to pray for them because, and I quote, "no good son would turn down his mother's request." In so doing, they actually do take the position that Jesus is still under Mary's authority as a son is to his mother's.

By calling Mary, "the Mother of God," are you agreeing with those Catholics? Or do you agree with Sha'ul (Paul) that now that Yeshua has died for our sins and been resurrected, "God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a name which is above every name, that at the name of Yeshua every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Yeshua the Messiah is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Php. 2:9-11)?

That is, is Mary's relationship to Yeshua at the present time that of a mother to her son (putting her in authority, and He at her behest), or that of a servant to her Lord and a bride to her Bridegroom (both of which put her under His authority and at her behest)?

If the latter, then you must agree that there is outright heresy in the RCC, insofar as Catholic books written with the full approval of the Magisterium (e.g., the aforementioned Novena Prayers in Honor of Our Mother of Perpetual Help; see again post #31) and that Roman Catholics must purge such heresy from their midst before they start trying to bring the Protestants "home."

If the former, then it is you, not I, who is the heretic according to the Scripture, for you have given God's glory to another.

And since we have merely been going in circles for the last several posts, I'm moving on from this thread. Thank you for the debate, and have a blessed day.

203 posted on 12/28/2005 12:49:47 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman
If the former, then it is you, not I, who is the heretic according to the Scripture, for you have given God's glory to another.

That's the issue in the nutshell. Veneration of Mary DOES NOT detract from the glory of God. Period.

That said, I will follow your example and move on.

207 posted on 12/28/2005 12:53:00 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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