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To: laxin4him
If you try and believe that evolution and Christianity are compatible how do you explain the genealogy in Matthew that goes back all the way to Adam? If it is not literal history it would be a lie and thus the bible could be full of lies.

This is what the most brilliant theologian (so far as I'm concerned) in the history of Christianity said about 1800 years ago:

Now what person of intelligence will believe that the first and the second and the third day and the evening and the morning existed without the sun and moon and stars? And that the first day, if we may so call it, was even without a heaven? And who is so silly as to believe that God, after the manner of a farmer, "planted a paradise eastward in Eden," and set in it a visible and palpable "tree of life," of such a sort that anyone who tasted its fruit with his bodily teeth would gain life; and again that one could partake of "good and evil" by masticating the fruit taken from the tree of that name? And when God is said to "walk in the paradise in the cool of the day" and Adam to hide himself behind a tree, I do not think anyone will doubt that these are figurative expressions which indicate certain mysteries through a semblance of history and not through actual events.

--Origen, On First Principles, Book IV, Chapter 3, Section 1

If he could figure it out from the state of science back in the Roman era, I see no reason why anyone should have a problem with it today.

83 posted on 12/20/2005 8:28:35 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

The understanding of the human body, universe, and everything else that surrounds us is a little different than 1800 years ago.

"Now what person of intelligence will believe that the first and the second and the third day and the evening and the morning existed without the sun and moon and stars? And that the first day, if we may so call it, was even without a heaven? And who is so silly as to believe that God, after the manner of a farmer, "planted a paradise eastward in Eden," and set in it a visible and palpable "tree of life," of such a sort that anyone who tasted its fruit with his bodily teeth would gain life; and again that one could partake of "good and evil" by masticating the fruit taken from the tree of that name? And when God is said to "walk in the paradise in the cool of the day" and Adam to hide himself behind a tree, I do not think anyone will doubt that these are figurative expressions which indicate certain mysteries through a semblance of history and not through actual events.
--Origen, On First Principles, Book IV, Chapter 3, Section 1

I am not that familiar with a lot of Origen's writings but thanks for bringing it up. Ace of Spades said it is just a myth concerning the geneology in Matthew. I was curious what Origin thought on that. I will check as well but was just curious. Thanks for the post.


148 posted on 12/20/2005 8:48:12 AM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: AntiGuv

I like Augustine much better, but interesting post. Thanks.


638 posted on 12/20/2005 11:41:04 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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