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To: The Lumster; PatrickHenry
And none of that matters one damn bit.

Being disconnected from reality affords you that luxury, but it comes at a heavy price.

Who cares if the school board is breathtakingly inane. They are the duly elected representatives of the people of that district.

Which does NOT empower them to violate the Constitutions of the United States of America and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, as the court has held in this ruling.

If the people of that district agree that they are breathtakingly inane then the people of that district have the power to recall them and vote them out.

Which is EXACTLY what the voters of Dover DID, or have you not been paying attention?

Either way it is manifestly NOT the business of the federal court to rectify inane rulings from local politico's.

Inanity wasn't the basis on which the court "corrected" the Dover School Board, it was the UNCONSTITUTIONALITY of the School Board's action that got it overruled by the court.

Why have school boards and city councils at all? Let's just let federal judges tell us what is best for us.

Did you miss Civics Class the day they discussed the role of the courts WRT actions of other branches of government that are violative of the Constitution? Somebody has to make that legal determination, not a popular determination, of what laws and other governmental actions mean, and what the Constitution means, and that role is held by the courts in this country.

Judicial tyranny is tyranny whether it's from the right or the left

Judicial activism isn't the only form of tyranny -- executive and legislative branches of government are just as capable of tyranny as courts, and this court found the evidence overwhelming that the Dover School Board tried to commit an action violative of both the Federal and State Constitutions, which is to say that Judge Jones ruling protects the people of Dover (who repudiated the School Board's ID policy by voting out of office every pro-ID member of the board up for reelection) from the tyranny of petty officials who connived with a Law firm to impose their preferred religiously based ideas on the science classes of their district. All forms of tyranny are pernicious, not just that which flows from activist judges, which surely Judge Jones is not, as can be seen from the words taken directly from the court's ruling in this case:

Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. The breathtaking inanity of the Board’s decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.

806 posted on 12/20/2005 1:03:40 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow

The Dover school board did not violate the constitution.

The first amendment begins "Congress shall make no law". To my knowledge congress has made no law regarding the teaching of intelligent design one way or the other.

If congress made a law mandating the teaching of I.D., then that would be unconstitutional. Since the Congress has made no such law, the federal court has absolutely no standing to decide this case.

I see no constitutional authority for a federal court to usurp the authority of the local school board in order to require the teaching of one "theory" over another.


906 posted on 12/20/2005 1:33:46 PM PST by The Lumster
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To: longshadow
The breathtaking inanity of the Board’s decision
- Judge Jones, the Kitzmiller decision
Priceless!
960 posted on 12/20/2005 1:49:11 PM PST by jennyp (PILTDOWN MAN IS REAL! The evolutionist's story that Piltdown was a hoax is the REAL hoax!)
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To: longshadow
A superb if utterly wasted effort. What the Dover trial shows superbly is how poorly the creationist "dummy dance" trick works in a court of law as opposed to an FR thread.

On an FR thread, creationists are never caught "misspeaking." For that matter, on an FR thread, creationists are never wrong on anything above the typo level. These seemingly amazing feats are accomplished by a simple, dishonest, bland denial accompanied by endless restatement, distraction, and evasion.

If I were a creationist with the accustomed habits of argument of those on the typical FR crevo threads, I would tremble to enter a court of law.

1,376 posted on 12/20/2005 4:53:31 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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