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To: jess35

Scientific Religion...Atheistic Science...both attempt to prove something came from nothing, or one thing, whether be by God or by a some sort of superparticle that randomly expanded w/o a catalyst into millions of stars and galaxies.


729 posted on 12/20/2005 12:28:47 PM PST by benjibrowder (Part of the evil Republican Death Machine (just joking))
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I think you should slap the hell out of whoever taught you science. They didn't even give you the proper definition. ;)


731 posted on 12/20/2005 12:30:16 PM PST by jess35
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To: longshadow
I suppose it's unusual in this thread for someone to be commenting about the actual content of the opinion, but as I read it I'm finding some items that are worth mentioning. For example, at page 28:
... Professor Behe remarkably and unmistakably claims that the plausibility of the argument for ID depends upon the extent to which one believes in the existence of God. [Italics in original opinion.] (P-718 at 705) (emphasis added). As no evidence in the record indicates that any other scientific proposition’s validity rests on belief in God, nor is the Court aware of any such scientific propositions, Professor Behe’s assertion constitutes substantial evidence that in his view, as is commensurate with other prominent ID leaders, ID is a religious and not a scientific proposition.

Dramatic evidence of ID’s religious nature and aspirations is found in what is referred to as the “Wedge Document.” The Wedge Document, developed by the Discovery Institute’s Center for Renewal of Science and Culture (hereinafter “CRSC”), represents from an institutional standpoint, the IDM’s goals and objectives, much as writings from the Institute for Creation Research did for the earlier creation-science movement, as discussed in McLean. (11:26-28 (Forrest)); McLean, 529 F. Supp. at 1255. The Wedge Document states in its “Five Year Strategic Plan Summary” that the IDM’s goal is to replace science as currentlypracticed with “theistic and Christian science.” (P-140 at 6). As posited in the Wedge Document, the IDM’s “Governing Goals” are to “defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies” and “to replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God.” Id. at 4. The CSRC expressly announces, in the Wedge Document, a program of Christian apologetics to promote ID. A careful review of the Wedge Document’s goals and language throughout the document reveals cultural and religious goals, as opposed to scientific ones. (11:26-48 (Forrest); P-140). ID aspires to change the ground rules of science to make room for religion, specifically, beliefs consonant with a particular version of Christianity.

That's stuff right out of the record of the trial. With an honest judge, ID never had a chance.
748 posted on 12/20/2005 12:38:23 PM PST by PatrickHenry (... endless horde of misguided Luddites ...)
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