[unlearner]

I think we are at an impasse on causality and nothingness. You made some good points, albeit not persuasive enough for me. While I think it might be useful to explore the implications of causality not being true, perhaps we have explored enough tangents for this thread.

[donh]

implications of causality not being true

I have not contended causality is not "true". I have contended that causality is a human classification scheme, not a tangible force of nature. Much in the same manner as I concede that horses and zebras are two different species, even though zebras and horses can interbreed, because I accept human classification schemes as being adequately "true".