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To: unlearner
It is not a conclusion. A conclusion would be what we arrive at after testing. My assertion is an assumption. It is a testable assumption. It has yet to be tested. How can I be any clearer? Are you just pretending not to understand?

But it is a conclusion, based on your opinion that you "do not think the functional complexity and interdependence of living things can spontaneously arise." You have also stated that you have simply assumed this, and have no plans to test or verify that your opinion is true. So here is the problem: you have an untested (and untestable) assumption upon which you have rested your intelligent intervention hypothesis. This cannot be scientific.

3,277 posted on 01/27/2006 12:13:52 PM PST by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
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To: Condorman
"But it is a conclusion, based on your opinion that you 'do not think the functional complexity and interdependence of living things can spontaneously arise.' You have also stated that you have simply assumed this, and have no plans to test or verify that your opinion is true. So here is the problem: you have an untested (and untestable) assumption upon which you have rested your intelligent intervention hypothesis. This cannot be scientific."

No. It is an assumption. Yes, it is a logical and reasonable assumption. It is not a conclusion.

I have not stated an intent not to test it. I have stated that it needs to be tested when it is possible. I have suggested a specific test.

Science does work this way. Observation leads to questions. Questions lead to speculations (i.e. assumptions) of how or why things are as observed. Tests are proposed to validate or eliminate the assumptions. Tests are performed. Conclusions are drawn based on the outcome of testing. New observations lead to new questions.

I have observation, speculation, and tests proposed. That's not a claim that all the needed details are here, but just that my approach is scientifically valid.

Do not confuse confidence in my assumptions to be the same as drawing a conclusion. Scientists should have some confidence in their assumptions. I fully expect that intelligent assembly will occur at some point in my lifetime. I also expect that no self organizing principle will be observed. But I have taken the risk of allowing my assertion to be proved wrong.
3,279 posted on 01/29/2006 6:05:39 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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