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To: unlearner
You need to read up on nanotechnology.

I'm reasonably familiar with the subject.

While no one may assemble life in a lab to validate my arguments, they will try because it is useful in other ways. Nano machines will largely mimic existing structures in nature because they are very efficient. When it becomes feasible to assemble life, I expect there will be many to step up to the plate and try.

You mean like a Sears santa is useful, just like a Montegomery Ward Santa, or a giant elf Santa with magical flying raindeer?

Nano machines will largely mimic existing structures in nature because they are very efficient.

That would be wrong. Compared to machine tool approaches organic structures leave a lot to be desired. We will undoubtedly see hybrids, though.

When it becomes feasible to assemble life, I expect there will be many to step up to the plate and try.

No. You are vastly unaware, apprently, of how much engineering it would take to duplicate a living cell "from scratch" as you have insisted. It won't be done because it proves no point worth proving, by either side of this debate. Do you think we should invent geologic plates "from scratch" to prove or disprove the notion that God created the earth on the 7th day, complete fossils embedded in tectonic plates? If you actually did it, or tried to do it and failed, would it change the confidence you might have in either the godditit theory or the coelescing dust theory?

Ans? No, because, just as in the case of the sears santa experiment--and as, amusingly enough, you have been at pains to point out--my ability to produce a sears santa doesn't have butkus to do with the existence or non-existence of either the Monkey-ward santa or the flying elf santa.

3,250 posted on 01/26/2006 11:19:04 AM PST by donh
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To: donh
"You mean like a Sears santa is useful"

No. That Santa serves no scientific purpose. His utility is not a scientific one.

"Compared to machine tool approaches organic structures leave a lot to be desired."

But biological ones tend to be better designed and more efficient, which is why they are and will be mimicked. For example, synthetic muscles are currently about 10000 times weaker than actual muscles.

What you are referring to is the inherent shortcomings of engineering when it comes to duplicating the functions of nonlinear systems. It is more desirable to have linear systems because they are easier to engineer.

"You are vastly unaware, apprently, of how much engineering it would take to duplicate a living cell 'from scratch' as you have insisted."

And, contrary to your claim of being well versed in nanotechnology, you are vastly unaware of the ultimate goal of this field. It is to develop atomically precise
manufacturing in an atom-by-atom fashion. The vision is programmable matter.

The reusability of code written for programmable matter will allow building code libraries that are accessible to John Q. Public via the future version of the Internet. The cumulative effect will be that designing custom materials will be a matter of punching up the desired characteristics, and creating life forms may be nothing but tweaking working programs. Making life may become little more than grade school level science projects.

Am I assuming a lot. Yes, I am. And I am well aware that testing my assertion presumes vast leaps in our technical know how. And I am assuming this will happen. Soon.
3,267 posted on 01/27/2006 11:33:58 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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