To: unlearner
You continue to claim I am unwilling to admit error... Absolutely. Your performance would be disgusting if it weren't for the Lord or whatever. You can't be fooling anybody, even as you pile on the paragraphs. How severe is your compulsion?
... but it is you who has failed in this regard.
No. Your so-called test plans absolutely do not address your stated hypothesis. Grow up. Admit the obvious in public rather than do some endless silly dance.
It can be stated in the positive: All occurrences of life originating are caused by intelligent intervention.
Doesn't help. You have to prove a negative to prove that statement. Are you too dumb to understand that as well? How dishonest are you willing to be? How dumb do you want to play? Where is the bottom? How low will you go? Is the Lord commanding this?
You need to explain it for the first time.
Your premise is abiogenesis can never happen by any means. "Never by any means" would include such esoteric means as "Incrementally, cumulatively, and GRADUALLY over long periods of time" the way mainstream science postulates.
Why do you refuse to answer how my hypothesis differs fundamentally from the law of gravity?
OK, the law of gravity is a mathematical approximation of something readily observed. Your premise is nonsense.
2,752 posted on
12/26/2005 1:00:00 PM PST by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: VadeRetro
"Your so-called test plans absolutely do not address your stated hypothesis."
The tests serve the essential purposes of verification and falsification. You apparently do not understand demarcation enough to recognize that the tests do serve their intended function. It is you who keeps confusing falsification with the need to prove, in your words, an "infinite negative."
"You have to prove a negative to prove that statement."
If you were objective, you would see that your position would require the law of gravity to prove that nothing ever falls up.
"Incrementally, cumulatively, and GRADUALLY over long periods of time the way mainstream science postulates."
Mainstream science includes assertions which are not falsifiable or verifiable?
"the law of gravity is a mathematical approximation of something readily observed."
Nice try, and at least I must give you credit for finally attempting to address the issue. But you failed. Your claims against my hypothesis have nothing to do with whether we can observe the origination of life. I already admitted that it lacks supporting evidence to make it a theory. You have not argued against it on a statistical basis either.
You have been saying my statement is logically flawed rather than lacking in supporting evidence, so your comparison does not identify why the law of gravity meets your requirement, but mine does not.
Simply defining or describing the law of gravity does not sufficiently address the question. You claim my statement fails because I cannot prove that something never happened.
My reply has been you are confusing verification with falsification. I gave the law of gravity as an example. By your standard, without regard to the abundance of supporting evidence, the law of gravity would be invalidated because it is not possible to disprove that things may sometimes fall up.
How does the law of gravity succeed in meeting your definition of falsifiability?
You dug yourself a very deep hole. I think at this point you are probably too embarrassed to admit your argument is flawed even if you can see it plainly. You can't afford to back down now, no matter how wrong headed your argument is.
A hypothesis is an attempted explanation of observable phenomena which must be falsifiable and preferably verifiable. Falsifiable means that the hypothesis makes predictions in which some potential outcome could result in disproving it. Verifiable means that the hypothesis makes predictions which, if true, tend to support it.
Your standard would disqualify all theories and laws as well as hypotheses. You demand that the tests for my hypothesis be able to prove that no other explanation is possible. That is not how science works, period. For all the ranting about my unwillingness to admit error, I should expect your admission to be forthcoming.
2,769 posted on
12/27/2005 11:15:17 AM PST by
unlearner
(You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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