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To: P-Marlowe
Where in the constitution is the so called principle of "separation of church and state specfically enunciated."

Word-lawyering aside, the principle is established in the 1st amendment, combined with the post-civil war amendments which pushed rights established in the bill of rights down on local governments. You may not like this, but pretending it doesn't exist is a pretty thin defense. If you look at their 30 years of correspondance, and their contributions to the argument, there can be no ambiguity about what the designers of the 1st amendment, Madison and Jefferson intended: a clear and ubiquitous separation of church and state.

2,543 posted on 12/23/2005 10:44:04 AM PST by donh
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Word-lawyering aside, the principle is established in the 1st amendment, combined with the post-civil war amendments which pushed rights established in the bill of rights down on local governments.

The princple that this statement by the Dover School board is a violation of the first amendment is nowhere found in the constutition. The principle stated in the first amendment is that "congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion." It is simply not reasonable to conclude without jumping through 2 centuries of esoteric legal gymnastics for anyone to come to the conclusion that the constitution itself prohibited the school district from having that sentence read to students in the 21st century.

I just wish one of you "evos" could see that fact. You are all apparently so overjoyed with this victory over the forces of creationism that you fail to see that this victory is a defeat for the principles of judicial restraint and constitutional integrity.

When courts interpret the constitution in such a liquid manner then it is a threat to all our liberties. If the courts were to interpret the 2nd amendment in such a esoteric and liberalized manner, then your right to own a gun is as good as dead.

We need to preserve and protect the principles of original intent in regard to our founding documents, otherwise all of our constitutional rights are threatened. This decision shows that the power of the courts to reinterpret and redefine the constitution to suit their political agendas is virtually unlimited.

I hope you guys are all happy. Enjoy your victory.

Merry Christmas

2,548 posted on 12/23/2005 12:12:33 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: donh

This thread addresses the "seperation of church and state" issue.

"Judge: ACLU not 'reasonable Court whacks civil-liberties group, OKs Ten Commandments display"

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1544226/posts


2,619 posted on 12/23/2005 8:46:09 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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