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To: bobdsmith; Dimensio; xzins
Why not just build the new organism in the first place?

LOL! That is where the TOE breaks down. Geneticists must reverse engineer that which they cannot create out of nothing or even out of the dust of the earth, i.e., life.

Even if they were able to create life, they would not be using an evolutionary model to create it, they would be using intelligent design -- which is what they use to make genetic changes right now.

Since the only observable method for creating new organisms is by using intelligent design, I am flabberghasted that the introduction of the mere idea of intelligent design is somehow a violation of the constitution.

2,535 posted on 12/23/2005 10:10:26 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Since the only observable method for creating new organisms is by using intelligent design,

This is not accurate. There are hundreds of reported cases of speciation by unintentional human accident--building dams being a prime example. There are also hundreds of observations of speciation in the wilds.

I am flabberghasted that the introduction of the mere idea of intelligent design is somehow a violation of the constitution.

the "mere idea" is not a violation of the constitution. There won't be significant objections if you want to teach it in history or sociology class. Stapling the idea onto a science textbooks, where it will amount to advocacy, against the advice of scientists, and for judicially demonstrated religious reasons, is. Contrary to your expressed opinion here, motivation does matter in the law, as it should.

And explaining in history class what some people believe, and what the effects of that belief have been, does not amount to advocacy. Pasting the same theories into science books, is attempting to suggest that there may be scientifically objective underpinnings of those beliefs, and that IS advocacy and it does violate the principle of separation of church and state.

2,537 posted on 12/23/2005 10:23:15 AM PST by donh
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To: P-Marlowe
LOL! That is where the TOE breaks down. Geneticists must reverse engineer that which they cannot create out of nothing or even out of the dust of the earth, i.e., life.

That hardly breaks the TOE down, just as when scientists seed clouds so that they rain it hardly breaks down meteorology.

Since the only observable method for creating new organisms is by using intelligent design

We don't need to observe such a thing to know it is possible as anything material in the universe can potentially be designed intelligently. It is afterall a simple matter of putting different blocks together. When it comes to life the blocks happen to be ridiculously small, that is the cause of the difficulty. It's taken ages to even be able to see the blocks, and it's difficult to arrange them when you can't see them with the naked eye. But that's it. If those two difficulties are overcome then it is pretty straight forward to reverse engineer and start playing with it.

The same is true with any material structure in the universe - stars, volcanoes, planets. It isn't their complexity that makes it hard to duplicate them - it's the difficulty in arranging the parts.

2,542 posted on 12/23/2005 10:39:34 AM PST by bobdsmith
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