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To: Dimensio
Science is about explanaining the natural universe. Science does not and cannot address the supernatural. Any explanation that invokes supernatural elements, including gods, is not science and it is dishonest to label it as such. It might be true, but that doesn't make it science.

You're conflating Naturalism as an absolute philosophy and naturalism as a scientific techique.

Astrophysicists and cosmologists routinely speak about singularities, points in time and/or space in which the laws of nature appear not to have been in operation, at least not in any knowable or repeatable way. These folks would be fascinated to discover that they aren't doing science!!!

Stupidity aside, when a scientist who is willing to accept the possibility of singularities, or intelligent design, or divine creation, or even abrupt appearance encounters a situation which appears to fall into one of these categories, he is first going to make sure that this is what it appears to be -- SCIENTIFICALLY -- and then if it is, he will proceed to try to understand every other part of it or its consequences that are non-singularities.

So either you are ignorant or just obtuse, but it is perfectly possible for a rigorous naturalistic approach to science to coexist peacefully with the belief that there may be parts of Creation/Nature that are beyond the ability of science to describe.

2,196 posted on 12/22/2005 10:32:45 AM PST by jbloedow
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To: jbloedow
You're conflating Naturalism as an absolute philosophy and naturalism as a scientific techique.

No, I'm explaining that science studies only the natural universe.

Astrophysicists and cosmologists routinely speak about singularities, points in time and/or space in which the laws of nature appear not to have been in operation, at least not in any knowable or repeatable way.

Are you honestly suggesting that these scientists are claiming that such events are supernatural? The reason for studying such phenomenon is to further expand knowledge of the natural workings of the universe so that the events occuring there no longer seem to violate what we know about the natural universe.

Stupidity aside, when a scientist who is willing to accept the possibility of singularities, or intelligent design, or divine creation, or even abrupt appearance encounters a situation which appears to fall into one of these categories, he is first going to make sure that this is what it appears to be -- SCIENTIFICALLY -- and then if it is, he will proceed to try to understand every other part of it or its consequences that are non-singularities.

So how, exactly, would a scientist go about applying the scientific method to the supernatural. Be specific.
2,272 posted on 12/22/2005 2:23:46 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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