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You just assumed it, of course, because the distinction between creationism and ID is too subtle for you.

It's also apparently too subtle for people like Pat Robertson and a number of forum posters here on FR who liken any attack on ID as an attack on creationism.

I liken ID to creationism because the very founders of ID have likened it to creationism. Or are you unaware of the Wedge document?

Oh, so evolution says nothing in any way about "the existence or involvements" of any diety?

That's correct.

It doesn't say that humans could have originated without a diety?

The nature of deities and their actions with respect to anything within the universe is outside of the scope of science.

If it says anything it says that -- and that is saying something extemely important about a diety, whether you are willing to admit it or not.

The theory of evolution says nothing whatsoever with respect to deities. No theory in science can. Only the truly ignorant or dishonest try to use science to claim anything about gods.

In fact, that is precisely why Marx and Hitler latched on to it.

So you assert, but despite repeated requests you have utterly refused to link anything that the theory of evolution actually says to anything that Hitler or Marx advocated. Not surprising, since you're just lying about the alleged connection.

It's dogmatic "science" may ultimately succeed in salvaging communism from the ash-heap of history -- and useful idiots like you will be largely to blame.

Argument from the consequences. The alleged consequences of the validity of the theory of evolution have no bearing on its truth value. And you're lying about the consequences, also.

"The nature of deities and their actions with respect to anything within the universe is outside of the scope of science."

But the Neo-Darwinian Theory of Evolution says that the human race *could have* originated by purely natural means with no intelligent being involved. That was a truly revolutionary concept when it was introduced -- and it is a profoundly significant claim that most certainly has *something* to do with the "existence of any dieties." The fact that people like you insist on denying that obvious fact is just part of your insidioius mendacity. The real question is whether you have fooled yourself or you are merely trying to fool others.

And the fact that creationists want to use ID for their purposes no more discredits ID than the fact that communists use evolution discredits evolution as a scientific theory. Note that I never claimed that communists using evolution discredits evolution as a theory, but evolutionists regularly claim that creationist's use of ID discredits ID. What I claimed was that evolution is simply wrong in its denial of ID, and communists have latched onto it for that very reason.

By the way, I believe in ID, and I am a Christian, but I do not consider myself a creationist. Why not? Because I believe that, although ID can be scientifically proven, I do not believe that science per se can identify the Designer. That's where religion comes into play. Note I am not saying that I believe that God created "through" Darwinian evolution.