Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

[shebacal]

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On The Record with Tim Miller, Beth Twitty and Beth’s Private Notes

A little from Greta in a summary of events from Greta Van Susteren, “On The Record”:

Police got a tip that sent them to the Dunes.

Julian Renfro on phone.
"Authorities did receive tip which lead them right back to the lighthouse. They will continue the same search tomorrow."

Greta asked any search of urgency. She said about 50 officers with police academy cadets. Greta asked did you get the idea that it was a grid search Julia said absolutely. Pretty much standing in line. She said it seams it was like in October that they were doing searches there as well. Dompig was there with the entire detective team.

Tim Miller is on the Phone and got the green light on everything. Wants to keep planning to bring stuff over there. Was very pleased with the meeting today. Were searches different than before. Tim said absolutely. They are kind of glad that they are going to be in that deep of water and are optimistic.

Beth said it caught her by surprise. Tim Miller was laying the ground work to do the underwater search. It makes it seems more real now Greta.

Beth has been to the area by the lighthouse. How does it fit into this Beth said it has always been a suspicious area and was an area of concern of Dave’s also.

Joran statement the first one which was a lie said he went to that area. When he mentions the sand dunes it ends abruptly.

Beth said she knew about the fisherman huts broken into as early as July. Greta asked if she ever heard of Joran or the other two having access to a boat. Beth said yes they have and he even has a really good friend of his named Keon and talked about Koen’s father having a boat and also someone that has really concerned them is Steve Croes who has access to a boat. For some reason he did not come to protect Joran he has some information. He came forward as a witness and they determined he was lying. What information he has weather he has access to a boat that night yes it very possible that these boys have done something with her body in the water absolutely.

Beth’s Notes:

June 10th entry about 6:00 pm

"Hugh turning point in the investigation that was the FBI came in and told the family that it was looking like a possibility that Natalee may not be alive. And the reason why was that the boys were beginning to implicating each other and they weren’t denying the crime but they were finger pointing at each other. Greta said this is a day after they are arrested and they are already implicating each other in it. But yet the prosecutions apparently are ineffective in establishing it further. Obviously there has been no sort of resolution."

June 12th entry

"This was a teacher had reported some information to the hotline, she had stated that a peer had divulged what VDS had done to Natalee and this teach has reportedly called the hotline and was trying to tell the officials that Joran had confessed to this peer what he had done to Natalee. Greta asked Beth does she know if that teacher was ever interviewed. Beth said no she doesn’t. Has anyone ever told her whether they did a thorough investigation of his peers? No Greta and as you can see when you look through there are pages of questions. Every time they asked a question they just winded up with 20 more. They were never able to get any answers."

June 16th entry.

"Entry there having to do with PVDS. Information from a spokes person and that was a discrepancy over the time pickup by PVDS and he sated initially that he picked up Joran at 4:00 am from MD on the 30th and that actually why PVDS was arrested he as arrested because he changed the time. Beth said originally he stated he picked him up at 4:00 am on the 30th and he changed it later to 11:00 pm on the 29th. Van der Straaten knew PVDS has changed his time pickup and that is why he was arrested. That is solely why PVDS was arrested."

Beth had a meeting with KJ and there are notes from her July 11th meeting. There were text messages. There was a message at 3:30 am. Greta asked what was the content of the text message and Joran sent a text message to his computer saying thanks I’m home. So we don’t really know how he got home except there was a message from Joran to Deepak saying he got home.

KJ told Beth that there was a phone call between Joran and Deepak and she said that was the longest phone call ever recorded from those two boys cell phones and they were never able to find out what time that phone call took place or any of their conversations were disclosed and they knew it was significant because this has never taken place before and she doesn’t know what 18 year old, 17 year old or 22 year old boy are going to have and 18 minute cell phone call on the very night they took Natalee.

She feels as if when she goes through her journal she sees all the alibis that were destroyed by looking at her looking through it.

(Hat Tip: San)

[shebacal]

For pictures of the search of sand dunes by police:

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/news2.html

Article is in Papiamentu, not English.

[shebacal]

www.nbc13.com/news/

New Tip In Holloway Disappearance Begins New Searches

POSTED: 7:13 pm CST January 16, 2006
UPDATED: 7:43 pm CST January 16, 2006

Excerpt...
A new lead in the Natalee Holloway disappearance has started a flurry of activity on the island of Aruba.

Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother, has confirmed reports that investigators are now acting on a new lead and searching the tip of the island near the lighthouse. The area is not far away from where Holloway was staying the night she disappeared.

Twitty said investigators began searching the Palm Beach area on the northern side of the island Monday morning and expect to work until Tuesday night.

To read article: www.nbc13.com/news/

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Coppers in Aruba apparently in the habit of closing investigations of missing Americans:

http://www.wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_4237964,00.html

[MAWG]

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[nuntukamen]

"The zone being searched is roughly the size of eightsoccer fields, or one square mile, Dompig said, "


a square mile would be 344 soccer fields.

i just don't understand why no one here sems to understand aruban math; after all, 3 criminals or more has = 0 suspects from the beginning...why should soccer fields and sand dunes be any different?

[justche]

on Greta - I think it's Julia Renfroe that's talking saying there was a tip Natalee is alive and on another island - but no one would tell Julia which island??

[shebacal]

On Greta tonight.

Greta: "Police got a new tip that sent them racing to a near-by island. the new tip came in that Natalee may be alive on another island in the Caribbean".

Per Julia Renfro: "A tip came in to police last night or yesterday afternoon that Natalee possibly may be alive on another island in the Caribbean."

Several detectives have departed to a near-by island.

Police were not specific as to where they were going, per Julia.

In the reinterviews of everyone connected with the case, Julia Refro was called in 3 times to be interviewed, 45 minutes each time. The focus was on the initial first 3 days and right up to now.

Julia: PVDS never was a lawyer before. He has now been sworn in as a lawyer. He is working for attorney Carlo, the lawyer representing Jahooran.

[Canadian Outrage]

My God, this is such a sham. All this flurry of activity SIX MONTHS after they had ALL the information and the perpetrators right in front of them. Is this for public consumption to give the impression that they really are trying to solve a case that they KNEW the answer to 24 hours, if not 12 hours after it happened?

Something about this makes me want to vomit!! I pray for Beth's sake that Natalee's body is given up but I still concur with NSNR that Aruba is running the family around in circles once again. They seem to get extreme pleasure in torturing this family!! I maintain, that they are NOT to be trusted. They have already BROADCAST that the case was closed. Give me a break!!

[Canadian Outrage]

So "finally" Abi we are going to hear from the elusive bride huh?

[LucyT]

Meanwhile back in the motherland:

Dutch police target sex worker smuggling
UPI ^ | 16 January 2006

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, Jan. 16 (UPI) -- Dutch police are asking clients of Amsterdam's red light district to help fight forced prostitution.

Each year about 3,500 women are trafficked to the Netherlands to work in brothels or illegal escort agencies, the BBC reported.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559787/posts

[Canadian Outrage]

Amen deetch!!

[shebacal]

There does seem to be a sudden flurry of activity by the police now that Tim Miller and Equusearch are bringing in equipment to search 800 to 1,000 feet deep in the sea 3 to 5 miles off the fishermen's huts and the nearby launch ramp.

Maybe the police are preparing ahead of time to try to make themselves look efficient at this late date when TES may be getting close to finding Natalee's body.

[Canadian Outrage]

dog and pony, or gong show, take your pick huh Survivor? This is really insulting imo.

[Canadian Outrage]

Sheba I think they are also trying to move Tim to "another" area that isn't the area where the body was dropped in, if it was. Tim must still search that area 3 to 5 miles out from a different direction. The area that Dompig wouldn't PICK UP THE PHONE to call the FBI to faciltate the release of the special equipment. My trust in this Dirty Police Force and Dirty Justice system is MINUS 0!!

[presently no screen name]

My, my new leads where her body is and tips that's she alive. You're right, CO, it is insulting.

[Canadian Outrage]

You want to hear something interesting? Today on our office fax, we received two faxes from two different Vancouver Travel Agencies offering cruises for the huge sums of $249.00 per person for 8 days and $199.00 per person for 10 days. One was the Royal Carribean and I forget the other ship's name. Anyway, BOTH these cruises included 2 and 3 days in Aruba respectively!! THAT is very cheap travel if you ask me. And why are they faxing these things to a law office? They must "harvest" these fax numbers from somebody and fax every business they can find. I found it interesting that they came from Vancouver instead of locally. Although I have contacted ALL our local ones including the one my friend and her sister own.

[presently no screen name]

Aruba's new PR firm is on the case! Lots of activity - tips, leads, including those faxes. Telling them what they need to do - ACT INTERESTED, CREATE LEADS/TIPS and we'll take care of the promo part.

[Canadian Outrage]

Your ABSOLUTELY on the money there PNSN!! Not buyin here!!

[shebacal]

PNSN has got it right. The new PR firm is targeting companies and businesses that might hold conventions on Aruba. They are going after the groups.