Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]

York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

[AndrewC]

Nice repeating patterns, but patterns aren't self-replicating chemicals. I asked for the names, not a tabloid description of hypothetical things.

[Heartlander]

I have argued that the discontinuous gap between humans and 'apes' that we erect in our minds is regrettable. I have also argued that, in any case, the present position of the hallowed gap is arbitrary, the result of evolutionary accident. If the contingencies of survival and extinction had been different, the gap would be in a different place. Ethical principles that are based upon accidental caprice should not be respected as if cast in stone.
-Dawkins

How does one logically adhere to neo-darwinism yet separate oneself from sociobiology?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"We can certainly come up with some scenarios about how it could have happened, and only at a theorical level."

But there is no way to test any of them.

[Junior]

Do you know how many threads I have catalogued? It runs in the four digit range. Still and all, I'll spend the next couple of weeks wading through them looking for this particular gem -- BECAUSE YOU'VE PIQUED MY CURIOSITY!

[shuckmaster]

Animal Liberation Front?

[ml1954]

You took the words off my fingers.

[PatrickHenry]

BECAUSE YOU'VE PIQUED MY CURIOSITY!

I found it. It's in the 10th Compendium, Appendix I. (Search on "patrick".)

[Heartlander]

Yes, that is the name of the website… The article is by Dawkins…

[Junior]

Woo Hoo! You're back on my Christmas list.

[jennyp]

[shuckmaster:] Animal Liberation Front?

[Heartlander:] Yes, that is the name of the website… The article is by Dawkins…

Not so fast. At the bottom of the article it says this: "Excerpted from The Great Ape Project, edited by Paola Cavalieri and Peter Singer." That is a misguided, lefty-inspired project, methinks, but hardly a terrorist organization like ALF.

[ml1954]

Were you trying to make a point?

[Heartlander]

Hmmm… Maybe … It could be a response – if so, I sit corrected.

[js1138]

I guess Hollywood knows what it is up to when it greenlights movies.

[Heartlander]

I asked a question.

[js1138]

No true replicator can be made from just proteins.

[wallcrawlr]

"word lawyer" ??? is that the quality of labels you can come up with? thats lame dude...

I hope that work ties you up for weeks if not months.

[js1138]

[ml1954]

You posted a statement, apparently out of context, made by someone else, and then asked a question.

This implies you think the statement was relevant to the question and it implies what you think the correct answer to the question is.

This all means to me, you were trying to make a point. So why not be explicit?

[Dimensio]

I find it interesting that only one evolutionist bothered to reply to your most detailed post; and it wasn't very coherent

Perhaps it's because we're weary of debunking the same dishonestly pulled-out-of-context quotes.

Seems to me that if you were wrong in your citations of Darwin,

You mean that dishonest out of context quote to make it seem like Darwin was doubting the possibility of the evolution of the eye, when really he wasn't?

Connectthedots, you've been on these discussion long enough; you should know that quote is taken out of context and that any attempt to present it as an argument against evolution is founded in dishonesty or ignorance. Why are you still acting as cheerleader to someone who has done nothing but present a false definition of evolution supported with out-of-context quotes and who insults anyone who explains that his understanding of evolution is incorrect?

[furball4paws]

You forgot the fourth monkey - the one with both hands covering his/her crotch :-)