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To: NYer

"Um, Bernie, Vatican II is part of that Tradition. Accept it or else."

What about the issue of VatII being a pastoral rather than a dogmatic council?

"Oh, Jesus. He blew it. He really blew it.... "Accusation of schism"? "Pretended excommunications"?

Why is that blowing it? Does not schism require intent? And if the reasons cited for the latae sentiae excommunications were not valid, then are they not "pretend" excommunications?

One thing I've learned over the years is that liberalism is of and from Satan, and it carries his particular stench in whatever guise is presents itself.

Therefore, when I'm trying to make sense of something like this, I ask myself, "Is one side acting like liberals? Is one side arguing like liberals, using the ploys and intellectual gymnastics typical of liberals?"

I was outraged to hear of bishops rushing to Rome to threaten the Pope. "If you rule in favor of our enemies, we will go into schism. Either we win, or we'll tear the whole thing down." IMO, that reeks of liberalism, and therefore of Satan.

I'm not an expert on the contents of VatII, and cannot readily distinguish between what it actually says and where the Modernists are abusing it through misinterpretation.

However, I find that there are among its defenders many who act like liberals, and among its detractors none. That alone tells me that, even if it contains no evil in and of itself, it lends itself to use as a tool of evil. You don't find liberals fighting for things that are good.


17 posted on 09/20/2005 6:18:49 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc; NYer
"Oh, Jesus. He blew it. He really blew it.... "Accusation of schism"? "Pretended excommunications"?
Why is that blowing it? Does not schism require intent?

More importantly, why is the blogger using the Holy Name of Our Lord vainly?

18 posted on 09/20/2005 6:25:41 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Behold thy mother." -Our Lord Jesus Christ, John 19: 27)
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To: dsc

the sspx is a quintessential liberal outfit. It choses when to accept or reject authority; it chooses what doctrines to accept and what doctrines to reject; it is the quintessential liberal cafteria catholic outfit; it is different from other liberal outfits because it hides its liberalism beneath the Thurible's smoke.


30 posted on 09/21/2005 4:44:40 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: dsc
What about the issue of VatII being a pastoral rather than a dogmatic council?

Vatican II has both Pastoral and Dogmatic documents. The documents on the the Church, and Divine Revelation are dogmatic. The documents on the Formation of Priests and the Modern World and the like are Pastoral. The documents on Religious Liberty and Ecumenism are a mix of dogma, prudential policy, and pastoral guideance.

48 posted on 09/21/2005 7:37:14 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: dsc
However, I find that there are among its defenders many who act like liberals, and among its detractors none.

Archbishop Lefebvre and Co. are liberals in ecclesiology and discipline - picking and choosing on this topic just like the rest.

49 posted on 09/21/2005 7:39:01 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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