[Hermann the Cherusker]

The point my comment was getting at was the essential truth that Liturgy is the action of Jesus offering himself to God as a Sacrifice of propitiation on our behalf. Even in a clown mass that would be the reality. Of course, I'd consider it an abomination were I to be at a clown mass yet I would be required to be happy even in that personal Calvary

A Clown Mass would induce grave doubts in my mind as to whether the "Priest" was truly "intending to do what the Church does" in celebrating the Sacrament. Thus, I could not participate, but would have to leave.

I've been to several "Masses" like this. Once, the "Priest" had two laywoman come up from the congregation and "concelebrate" with him, including holding their hands over the "oblations" and saying the "consecration" with him. I left.

Another time, the "Priest" decided to use a sweet bread for the "Host", made up the "Offertory" and "Canon" as he went along in front of a congregation that seemed obvlious to the concept of praying or of the real presence. I left once they started butchering the Agnus Dei chant.

These aren't "personal Calvaries" but sacrileges.

[bornacatholic]

Jesus acepted Judas' kiss. That was also a sacrilege.

We disagree. But, that's fine. The Christian Church is a large family. There are bound to be differences of opinions. However, I think you are getting a bit pedantic and are missing the larger point. Or, maybe I just framed it the wrong way; especially citing the Clown Mass.

In any event, I am enjoying your posts and learning a lot from you.