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To: Regina
If I have you mixed up with someone else who evaporated off theis site upon being, well, criticized, leaving behind an apologist to sniffle over her departure, then you have my apology. If you are not in the SSPX schism, likewise. That some may regard JP II as a less than stellar administrator is a mere matter of opinion. The conventional wisdom and the verdict of history are likely to disagree with that assessment.

No one says he was perfect. He was, however, John Paul the Great. If you disagree, I would suggest that you will find easier and more valid targets in Benedict XV (1914-1922), John XXIII and Paul VI and that your memory may not be long enough to remember the bad old days of the 1960s. Most open criticism of JP II by those claiming Catholicism comes from SSPXers who are permanently angry over his application of justice to their heroes and to their schism. Most Catholics were more than satisfied. The schismatics were not.

If one is attacked as schismatic (i.e., an adherent of schismatic SSPX), it is sufficien to apologize if the info were wrong but reasonably founded. In the event that the target were schismatic, kindness is NOT owed to the performer of the usual dance of the schismatic pretending to be Catholic because the pope was wrong because_________(fill in the blank)__________. The pope sits in earthly judgment on us and not we on him. Examine your own conscience. Meanwhile, I will take your word for it in the absnce of further proof.

269 posted on 06/21/2005 11:48:48 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
... kindness is NOT owed to the performer of the usual dance of the schismatic pretending to be Catholic because the pope was wrong because_________(fill in the blank)__________. The pope sits in earthly judgment on us and not we on him.

Seems to me that judgement(distinguishing good from evil) is a two-way street. If you cannot judge him as bad, you also cannot judge him as good. You seem to be setting yourself up as quite the judge of many on this forum.

That some may regard JP II as a less than stellar administrator is a mere matter of opinion. The conventional wisdom and the verdict of history are likely to disagree with that assessment.

It IS a matter of opinion Either Way. Conventional Wisdom is in the eye of the beholder. Fr. Richard McBrien believes that conventional wisdom dictates that Pope John XXIII is the greatest pope of all time. Here in Chicagoland, Cardinal Bernadin is seen as the best loved cardinal in diocesan history as you well know.

294 posted on 06/21/2005 1:55:24 PM PDT by TradicalRC (In vino veritas.)
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To: BlackElk
The impression I get is that your purpose on this website is to "run people off". I view this site as an exchange of information, ideas, and opinions. The pope is not charged with sitting in judgement of Catholics of the world. His purpose is to keep the faith and traditions pure and to convert souls to the faith. We are not, as Catholics, forbidden from disagreeing with the Pope EXCEPT in matters of doctrine when the Pope speaks Ex Cathedra.

The only opinion I put forth was that JPII was not a great administrator. There might be something going on in your life right now that excuses your "over the top" reaction. If so, I hope everything works out for you. In the meantime, I would suggest you consider changing your tagline or actually behaving like a gentleman.
335 posted on 06/22/2005 7:24:28 AM PDT by Regina (regina)
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