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Please, give it up. It's so obvious you don't know what you are talking about.

Most of the Latin in the Traditional Latin Mass is not meant to be heard by the congregation.

The priest will say the first few words of the Prayer and you know where you are. "Credo in unum deum..." And you know, "We're at the Creed" His physical gestures state as much as the language he is praying in.

The Mass is not a Protestant service. You are a witness to an event, being presented in front of you. You don't even need a sermon for a Mass.

As far as dumbing it down in the vernacular goes, that is true. The French translation says God the Father and Jesus Christ are of the same nature instead of consubstantial. Nature and substance don't mean the same thing and there is an openness towards Arianism in the vernacular.

And as far as regulating the Bible. The current climate of nutjobs who run around spouting off nonsense about what they read in the Apocalypse is enough to warrant the Church's stance on approving translations and exegesis.

And, there are plenty of long necks in Salem Mass. that have nothing to do with the Catholic Church.

What an arrogant attiude.

Nothing arrogant about wanting to restore what Church history has shown works quite well.

What is arrogant is wanting what has proven to be a disaster to stay put simply because it works quite well... for "ME".

Using the language of the people is dumbing it down.

You're all over this thread talking about latin as a "stumbling block." It doesn't have to stay that way if people are willing to get off their duffs and try to learn it. Or at the very least, shell out a few bucks and purchase a Latin/vernacular missal and follow along. Are either of those options too much to ask of Catholics who presumably care about their faith?

You have the same attitude of your previous Catholics who said no Bible for you to the commoners?

And you have the same mindset as those who wanted Ebonics taught in public school.

You have the same attitude of your previous Catholics who said no Bible for you to the commoners.

Oh C'mon now you're being silly. You're really laying the old canards on thick.

No, the Church never said this, but rather the bible should be taught by those with the appointed authority to do so, the Church.

Even Martin Luther regretted the whole private interpretation thing when the "commoners" used it as an excuse to attack and pillage the nobles. Not one of the founders of any Protestant religion wanted each individual commoner to interpret the bible for themselves, the "de"- formers wanted to claim the rightful authority of the Church for themselves, they wanted the commoners to believe their non authoritative, fallible, personal interpretation.

And burned John Hus alive.

Really you don't say? What a completely horrible thing. So unlike the warm and fuzzy man who started the religion you believe; who said this:

"Those who refuse to give up the Catholic Faith must be put to the sword." --John Calvin

You're making me lose any respect I had for you, not for all Calvinists, just you.