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To: KDD
I was just stating a fact.

I personally am not even very religious though I do believe in G*D.

AND religion belongs in the political process. You must not have read the Founding Fathers' words.

And don't tell me what to do. I will do as I please only with regards to the posting rules and the rules of this forum.

Remember: We ain't the hicks that you would like to believe we's are.

One doesn't have to be religious to know what's right and what's wrong. Murdering an innocent person is wrong..religion or not.

842 posted on 04/15/2005 11:31:09 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
AND religion belongs in the political process. You must not have read the Founding Fathers' words.

You need to read them and heed their warning's.

Let's start with the words of James Madison, The fourth president of the United States. Then see what John Adams thoughts on the matter were. You may be surprised by what you find. Most of this country's founders were in fact Deists, not Christians.

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

- "Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

James Madison
- "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."

George Washington - letter to Edward Newenham, 1792

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."

James Madison-1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes."

John Adams - letter to John Taylor

846 posted on 04/15/2005 11:54:42 AM PDT by KDD (just the facts please)
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