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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

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To: Doohickey

I'm taking suggestions for other analogies, if you got 'em. Anywhere else disabled people have been starved to death by government order in full compliance with the law?


1,201 posted on 03/29/2005 6:00:04 PM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: NautiNurse

Oh, and I should have mentioned although you must know this as a nurse, there are EEG's which register the upper and lower regions of the brain.

I've forgotten which one controls breathing but obviously Terri is breathing on her own so it's the other region which is flat.


1,202 posted on 03/29/2005 6:00:12 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: the Deejay

They must have known about this, Dr. Hammesfahr said so, and wasn't he the big dog doctor that they hired?


1,203 posted on 03/29/2005 6:00:43 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Thanks.


1,204 posted on 03/29/2005 6:00:58 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dog Gone
I'm happy to be a member of the dollar a day club here because I think this is the greatest forum on the internet. If it remains as insane as it has been for the past couple of weeks, I won't be here for the third quarter Freepathon, though.

DITTO.

There's a limit to the amount of pitchforks and torches that I can tolerate.

DITTO.

I think I'm close to edge now, but I'm willing to wait until after Terri's funeral to judge how it may have permanently affected the forum. We've let lunatics run the asylum far too long here. The damage will be lasting.

DITTO.

1,205 posted on 03/29/2005 6:01:01 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: thoughtomator

How about the Ukraine, in the earlier part of the last century? They didn't just starve disabled people, but pretty much everyone...


1,206 posted on 03/29/2005 6:01:27 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Good for Glenn. I do like the guy. I was really, really disappointed with the local hosts that just latched onto what Dr. H had said.


1,207 posted on 03/29/2005 6:01:31 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Chad Fairbanks

You are so great with finding this stuff; thanks!

The doctors who testified at the many trials confirmed this too, of course. But I'd have to wade through all the court cases and just didn't have it in me to do it tonight. LOL


1,208 posted on 03/29/2005 6:01:56 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: thoughtomator

You've described the open forum. As of last weekend over 125 threads were dedicated to Terri Schiavo. I'm sure you can find dozens that support your point of view. Enjoy.


1,209 posted on 03/29/2005 6:01:58 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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To: Just mythoughts

You're welcome. It's been a long time since I've done any EEG-related work, though, so things might have changed ;0)


1,210 posted on 03/29/2005 6:02:27 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: Annie03
It's been very difficult to tell fact from fiction in this case.
1,211 posted on 03/29/2005 6:02:41 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Peach

You should see my browser favotrites list ;0)


1,212 posted on 03/29/2005 6:03:11 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: thoughtomator
12 days of starvation now and this person who supposedly wants to die is still somehow alive.

It takes time for the body functions to cease working.

It also goes by the age of the patient.

The younger they are, the longer it takes.

As of a few days ago, Terri's kidneys have likely been shrinking.

Bottom line.....Death is a process.....just like birth.

HTH

1,213 posted on 03/29/2005 6:03:39 PM PST by the Deejay ( I'LL RESPECT YOUR OPINION....IF YOU'LL RESPECT MINE.....)
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To: Drango

You can add me to that list.


1,214 posted on 03/29/2005 6:03:50 PM PST by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: thoughtomator

Where were you given an explanation that starving her like a Jew, in your quaint words, was above board and legal?

Although, btw, of course, it is. Tube removal happens every day of the week in hospitals, nursing homes, hospices and rehab clinics.

And the state legislature permits it in Florida as well as numerous other states.

And the US Catholic Conference of Bishops knows it is such a standard practice that they have an entire document which gives guidance to tube removal. If you'd like the link, let me know. I do have that one handy as well.


1,215 posted on 03/29/2005 6:04:11 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: onyx; Hildy
Did Hildy say the parents have dollar signs in their eyes, or something to that effect? My understanding is that the husband and parents used to be close. He even lived with them for a time. Then that settlement money came in, and they had a falling out that led to the court battles. Apparently, the parents wanted their cut of the settlement money, and when they didn't get it, they tied their son-in-law up in the courts. So most of the money went to who else but the lawyers. They always make out like bandits.

The whole thing is a disgusting mess -- nothing God-like about it whatsoever. Just human beings doing what humans often do best, which is to say they were acting like pigs at a through over the money and the power in their relationship.

And we're supposed to upset our entire system of government for these slugs? Heck NO!!!

You know I love GWB and will always support him. But as far as I'm concerned, he made a bad mistake upsetting his schedule and spending lots of taxpayer dollars to fly back to DC to sign that misguided thing the Congress stupidly passed. Their proper role is on the macro level, crafting legislation that would set national policy for cases similar to Schiavo.

1,216 posted on 03/29/2005 6:04:38 PM PST by Wolfstar (If you can lead, do it. If you can't, follow. If you can't do either, become a Democrat.)
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To: Admin Moderator

I thought you were here for 24 hours? We're sorry to see you go.


1,217 posted on 03/29/2005 6:04:56 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Can "flat EEG" people still breathe on their own???

Short answer--yes. As well, a single EEG is not reliable to indicate permanent status, particularly in the acute phase of brain insult. Serial EEG, absence of spontaneous respirations, absence of ocular reflexes, etc., are used in total to determine brain death.

1,218 posted on 03/29/2005 6:05:14 PM PST by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Howlin; All
Thanks.

I just got back home and the INTERNET connection in my hotel room was not working. Needless to say, I was NOT HAPPY.

I've got a lot of reading to do, unless someone wants to sum it up for me.

1,219 posted on 03/29/2005 6:05:27 PM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: the Deejay

I've read almost this entire thread. You're post pretty much sums up what it's all about.

How these heartbroken parents became the enemy is beyond my comprehension. Never would I have believed it if I hadn't read it myself.

This is conservative? This is compassion? Not in my world.


1,220 posted on 03/29/2005 6:06:08 PM PST by Jrabbit
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