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To: dzzrtrock
Well, the Ardennes were thought to be "the end" and impassable. And as you brought up Ghengis Kahn, I'd say that there was one of the all time greatest "failure walls". Should we talk about Hadrian's wall as well?

As to prisons, banks and military bases, these are all relatively small walls which are vigilantly defended.

But the larger point of my post was what are The Priorities? And what are we trying to accomplish? Right, stop illegal immigration. Good, great, admirable! But we have a dysfunctional and corrupt state just to our south. So how do we protect ourselves?

As to your "voluntarily" fest, yes I do think that the vast majority of illegal immigrants would voluntarily come forward to be fingerprinted if it meant that they could stay here. Why? Freedom. They would no longer be in the shadows and afraid. Think this is a small idea? Look to January 30th for advice on this point. And the minority that don't come forward, well, they are hiding in a much smaller forest, and it make them (the drug dealers and other felons) easier to find.

Please don't mistake me, I'm not against a barrier of some kind, I just don't want to waste resources on something that I think will be ineffective. But I ask you again to rank what your objectives are.
1,755 posted on 02/12/2005 2:54:00 AM PST by LifeofRiley
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To: LifeofRiley

My priorites are very simple: Make my country what it was BEFORE we got buried in illegals and do so by whatever means it takes. Rewarding crime is never a good idea. Punish employers, even it it an old lady having her petunia's trimmed. Put repeat offenders out of business, jail them and make them do community service. Get a hard-to-fake social security card. Mandate that social security, banks, etc., make people aware when their identity is stolen or tampered with. When SS gets a multitude working under one SS number it is HIGHLY probable that the FIRST person to have the card is the right owner. Tell them all to "come in for a visit" at their local office and bring their proof of identity. Most the fakes will no-show. IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to figger that out. Take the profit out of being here illegally. When one is caught, he/she is sent back across the border with the clothes on their back and empty pockets within twwo weeks. Houses, vehicles, bank accounts personal belongings are all seized and donated to homeless shelters, salvation army, ANY non-profit group to help the poor who live here legally. ANYBODY can get some sort of proof of legal residency within that period IF they are here legally even if it is just your high school yearbook.
Have you mom bring your school report cards down, for example, or check with the selective service registration office. Put a reward on illegals. If a citizen turns one in and they are deported, the TAXPAYERS save money. Why shouldn't we kick some of that back to the diligent citizen? INS needs to pay daily visits to any place where "day workers" gather. Those who are not here legally need to be rounded up. Those who can show proof of legal residency should be happy to have the reduction in competition. We don't need more room to house these people. We need to out-process them faster. If our troops can live in tents in the desert these people can too. Sheriff Arpaio in La Paz Co., Az. makes it work. Put HIM in charge of confining them until they are reviewed (if they are reviewed) and packed off the all points south. This is NOT as complicated as el presidente BOOSH and the illegal apologists are making it appear. When the heat comes on, the rats move out of the heater. When the knocks on the doors start happening, when they go to work and the boss tells them they can't work there anymore because he doesn't want to go to jail, (or isn't there because he's been hooked and booked) when the welfare checks stop coming and they get a "notice of interview" telling them to bring proof of citizenship, when they can't get a license, register a car, get medical attention nor attend school without proof of legal residency they will need to look toward the south for redemption. As they move south the word will spread and the flood will dry up. Make it DAMNED unpleasant for those who are here illegally, keep the pressure on and it won't be too long until Americans are working the "day labor" jobs again, wages will come up to the market rate, companies will have to obey labor laws because US citizens won't let them do otherwise and these people are off the dole because they're out of the country. Cops stop us on the road and at checkpoints and ask for a driver's license, proof of insurance and registration. Why not add THIS to the checklist if the ossifer have any doubt. if the person has no license, the car is in another person's name and lacks insurance and the driver "no hablas" the cop, he's probably got himself an illegal. They actually shut down the drunk driver checkpoints in Oakland because they were accidently catching these people driving without licenses and registration and towing their vehicles. that is how STUPID this has all gotten.


3,475 posted on 02/16/2005 4:35:42 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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