Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson
I think "open borders" means no constraints whatsoever on immigration, legal and illegal, altho' for an open borders purist there would be no reason to use the words "legal" or "illegal".
Being pro-amnesty is deluding oneself into believing the constraints on *illegal* immigration can be relaxed "temporarily" with little or no negative consequences.
How would a barrier around the land of the free and the home of the brave make conservatives look bad? eh...I dunno?
As one who was banned once for a comment about Rap Music, I have been a sucessful poster for abour a year now. I have sounded off on immigration issues and retain my posting priviledges.
I even had a run in with Jim a week ago when I (in a sadly humiliating situation) posted whet I believed to be comments from Bill Clinton's Daily Diary.
Jim didn't even yank the post... he just moved it to another forum and was graceful in accepting my appology.
I am a fan of the accomplishments of this site and proud of Jim for maintaining high standards about the posts, the posters and their agendas.
(P.S. When is a militia the only viable answer to the invasion?)
Wrong. You just wish I couldn't.
You must live in the middle of Kansas if you think this a viable route for over 1,000,000 invaders a year.
That's about 20 relatively small cargo ships' worth across one year.
Yeah, it's viable. BTW, I probably have urinated more saltwater than you've ever sailed over, sonny-boy.
Using your hypothetical arguments, I suppose if we close the borders they can hitch a ride on the Concorde, right?
No, but you go right on wishing that I was making those arguments.
It would be a mere trickle, like those making it up here from Cuba.
Cuba actively keeps people from leaving, Mexico does not.
But I'm sure you knew that already.
For myself, I also have to spray as I can't figure out how to put out cat food and not have them come for that, too. And sometimes they come just for the water.
My mother-in-law thinks it's stupid to rinse everything before putting it in the dishwasher, but she's probably never seen the ant colony that ate the dishwasher in her area.
We tried sealing up the sugar with prop 187 here, and got blown away by the liberal courts, and then eaten alive by the MSM at reelection time. And we tried employer sanctions but that has either not been enforced or been done in by jury nullification according to one poster.
How about shipping free birth control pills to Mexico?
I would debate that. Most feel that the Bush plan is not amnesty.
Amnesty of the 86 variety, is to pardon all sins and grant green cards (eventual citizenship) to all.
The bush plan has no such requirements and not even a suggestion of it. green cards would be applied for in the normal way.
The plan is more akin to a return to the Braciero(spell ck) program for migrant workers and a application from Mexico solves the forgiveness business, and I have suggested a optional 2500.00 fine is one did not use false docs and admits the crime, pays the fine and serves a probation.
The poll has an option: "I SUPPORT open borders and illegal immigration."
Did you vote for that option or a different one?
Are you dense? I had said like three of four times now, that I could not support illegal immigration. So yes, I voted in the majority on that poll.
Too much nuance.:0
The world is not black and white, it is full of nuance. To think all conservatives are cut from the exact same cloth is silly.
Vigilantism by definition is doing what is necessary to protect yourself, your family and your property. It's a Vigilance committee and it's as old as Human History.
The government won't do it, so who should?
I figure he took one day and copied the names off posts.
I agree. This is your website, you've set the ground rules, and everyone that sets up a user account is bound by the rules of the website, much like the TOS of an internet service provider. Break their rules, they have no choice but to terminate the online account.
3 entries found for amnesty.
am·nes·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-st)
n. pl. am·nes·ties
- A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.
tr.v. am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing, am·nes·ties
- To grant a general pardon to.
[Latin amnstia, from Greek amnsti. See amnesia.]
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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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Main Entry: am·nes·ty
Pronunciation: 'am-n&s-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -ties
: an act of clemency by an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individuals <illegal-alien farm workers seeking amnesty —National Law Journal>
Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
amnesty
n 1: a period during which offenders are exempt from punishment 2: a warrant granting release from punishment for an offense [syn: pardon] 3: the formal act of liberating someone [syn: pardon, free pardon] v : grant a pardon to (a group of people)
Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
See also: "pardon".
Just wanted to be clear as your posts were the opposite of clear. *LOL*
Ha! That would be interesting... :-)
My time spent on here has seen the "close the borders and put the military on the borders" crowd who have a tendency to launch insults toward everyone who doesn't agree with them.
I don't know how some people can "pass" or be "undecided" on such an important issue.
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