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To: rogator; ninenot
SSPX deserves its punishment and it has no standing to complain that it is punished in ways that others are not. SSPX was adjudged schismatic by JP II and its ringleader bishops excommunicated for their ecclesiastical crimes.

Many SSPXers here make arguments that are analogous to those that might be made by convicted criminals in our American courts. See the bankrobber who whines that the last sentenced bank robber got a sentence ten years lighter than his for a crime allegedly worse. The judge will not, however, smack his forehead and say, why did'nt I think of that and reduce the sentence. He more likely will say: "So what? Why is that any of YOUR business?" The pope clothed, ex officio, with far more legitimate authority than may attach to any secular magistrate, has sentenced the SSPX ecclesiastical criminals. It is time long since for them to sit down, shut up and take that justice like men and women. If not, they are digging their own hole.

To summarize thus far: JP II judges and has judged SSPX. SSPX has no standing to judge JP II and never will.

As to the Chinese "Patriotic" Association bishops, if they were consecrated without Rome's approval which seems rather obvious, then I would understand them to be excommunicated latae sententiae as well (even though they too say the Tridentine Mass ONLY as though that somehow makes a difference as to the validity of their orders and movement).

Since you brought the subject up, however, and since I do have standing as a Catholic on matters touching Catholicism, ought SSPX not be enthusiastic for the undoubtedly schismatic communist stooges of the Chinese "Patriotic" Association? They despise the pope as does SSPX. They deny papal authority as does SSPX. They confine themselves to the Tridentine only and refuse recognition to Novus Ordo anything, just like SSPX. They choose their own bishops without so much as a by your leave to His Holiness, just like SSPX. They think they are in charge rather than His Holiness, just like SSPX. They have their own counterMagisterium, just like SSPX. What is there for the SSPX vipers not to like???? Just asking.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Roma locuta. Causa finita. Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia.

420 posted on 01/30/2005 8:50:07 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

"...then I would understand them to be excommunicated latae sententiae as well... "

Then why are they in our seminaries and working in collusion with the Maryknoll order? Why are their priests being granted faculties by American dioceses?
Doesn't this make the Maryknolls and these dioceses participants in their scism?


422 posted on 01/30/2005 9:07:31 AM PST by rogator
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To: BlackElk

Roma locuta et locuta et locuta...Non semper finita.

Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia--aliquando.


452 posted on 01/30/2005 8:12:40 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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